Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex

Aren't rules previews usually the week leading up to the pre-order date? So, really, I wouldn't expect anything until the 15th.

krayd wrote:

Aren't rules previews usually the week leading up to the pre-order date? So, really, I wouldn't expect anything until the 15th.

Was that aimed at my comment? If so, sorry I was talking about the campaign rules they want to preview this week. They already announced that Drukhari will be one of the four factions that will get rules in the campaign book. In the last Sunday preview they announced they will preview rules from the campaign book this week, they specifically write about army building. And I am also expecting no codex previews until the 15th. So we get this week a preview about changes to army building before we even know what our army building looks like, that is what I mean with bad timing.

Either way, at least we might see some new Drukhari rules in this campaign book preview.

Let's hope its something a bit more inspiring than sidegrading our splinter cannons and acting like its a revolutionary gift from the gods XD

Well Lelith looks decent. Liking how rather than give one special rule, they have given two you can choose from during the command phase. Obviously people will say she should be able to do both but I’m ok with choosing the most necessary one for the moment.

This is actually exactly what I was talking about by giving HQs their own strats. These are sort of Lelith strats you can choose for free once per command phase. I like that.

It might not be bad timing.

A codex generally details rules for matched play, right? (ok, and Crusade now). Because Narrative play takes the rules and makes them more... guidelines. But campaign books take non-standard battles and give them hard rules - effectively turning Narrative back into Matched (things like siege the stronghold or stuff like that). Right? Or am I misunderstanding campaign books?

If thats the case, then I can see them adding new obsessions and stratagems. 99% of matched play battles have Drukhari facing an enemy on an essentially open field and even setting. But the campaign might have us striking a much larger force, or a much smaller one, or fortifications, or anything. Our regular obsessions and stratagems might not be useful.

So if thats what they are "changing", then it doesnt really matter if the campaign is released first or second.

Of course, if they change more than that, they create a problem. Which rules superseed the others? If the campaign book comes out before the codex, does the codex overwrite the "fixes" in the campaign book? Or does the campaign book, being a secondary release, overwrite the codex?

Yeah, she looks fun.

It's hard to judge without seeing the full datasheet but she looks better at cutting through units now as well as characters. Those extra attacks are tasty! Especially if she keeps the bonus ones from her hair. If she maintains her ability to reroll hits and wounds she's gonna be very fun to use!

Potentially 9 attacks, rerollng hits and wounds, exploding 6s with the ability to fight twice.

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

Well Lelith looks decent. Liking how rather than give one special rule, they have given two you can choose from during the command phase. Obviously people will say she should be able to do both but I’m ok with choosing the most necessary one for the moment.

This is actually exactly what I was talking about by giving HQs their own strats. These are sort of Lelith strats you can choose for free once per command phase. I like that.

Link for everyone else

Yeah, thats really nice Clearly not her full sheet, I cant imagine she is 6+ save only.

Also, the angle on the full table top shot of her model looks far less chunky than the older ones. Is it just my imagination, or is that true for the single shot too?

Fighting Eldar or Sisters she’s a monster. She’s a very useful tool IMO...but her foot is still fat.

Natural perfection could be a game changer.
Charge a chaff unit, then charge another, and fall back and charge again is always strong.

Still hate to see the "DAMAGE=1" though

Skulnbonz wrote:

Natural perfection could be a game changer.
Charge a chaff unit, then charge another, and fall back and charge again is always strong.

Still hate to see the "DAMAGE=1" though

3 charges? How?

And with AP-3, and that many attacks, might be worth charging a chaff unit, falling back, then charging a character or HQ. S4 isnt amazing, but damn, 7 attacks at AP-3 with exploding 6s? Not many HQs get out of that smiling.

Thanks for sharing!

Damage 1 on the knives is disappointing. Hopefully she keeps the option to swap a knife for an impaler at AP1 and D2. This was always my go-to anyway vs vanguard vets and the like.

I think its great, the cult of Strife stratagem for free provides potent offensive output or if things look a bit too much, fall back and charge to get outta dodge. It's cunning and aggressive. Look forward to seeing the rest of her data sheet and what new stats we get to combo with it.

albions-angel wrote:

Skulnbonz wrote:

Natural perfection could be a game changer.
Charge a chaff unit, then charge another, and fall back and charge again is always strong.

Still hate to see the "DAMAGE=1" though

3 charges? How?

And with AP-3, and that many attacks, might be worth charging a chaff unit, falling back, then charging a character or HQ. S4 isnt amazing, but damn, 7 attacks at AP-3 with exploding 6s? Not many HQs get out of that smiling.

I assume it was intended in two different scenarios, fighting twice in one scenario and in a seperate scenario using the fall back and charge.

Im sorry, I am feeling increasingly out of the loop. I only see the Lelith reveal stuff. Whats this about Cult of Strife (I know thats HER cult, but what new rules)?

Hate to be that guy again but she looks completely uninspiting and boring to me... We yet have to see her full abilities but isnt she supposed to be a master duelist able to one on one any character in the universe, why does she seem like a swarm killer with not much going on... I swear if i see another "fight twice" ability im gona loose it...
Does she keep her aura for wyches ot her rerolls against characters? What about her 3 invu...so many questions

I think these changes look great, very curious about the rest of her abilities though. Her blades having the Blood Dancer trait slapped onto them suggest that warlord traits have changed, too.

JRG wrote:

albions-angel wrote:

Skulnbonz wrote:

Natural perfection could be a game changer.
Charge a chaff unit, then charge another, and fall back and charge again is always strong.

Still hate to see the "DAMAGE=1" though

3 charges? How?

And with AP-3, and that many attacks, might be worth charging a chaff unit, falling back, then charging a character or HQ. S4 isnt amazing, but damn, 7 attacks at AP-3 with exploding 6s? Not many HQs get out of that smiling.

I assume it was intended in two different scenarios, fighting twice in one scenario and in a seperate scenario using the fall back and charge.

Fighting twice wouldnt let you charge twice though.

If the sentence

Skulnbonz wrote:

Charge a chaff unit, then charge another, and fall back and charge again is always strong.

is intended to be split into

1. Charge a chaff unit, then charge another
   
2. fall back and charge again is always strong.
   

and thus matches up with

1. Gory Spectacle
   
2. Thrilling Acrobatics

respectively, then I cant see how Gory Spectacle allows for 2 charges. It allows for 2 lots of fighting, I.E. you could charge, fight, they fight, you fight again, but it would need to say you can take your Charge AND Fight phases again for 2 charges to work.

wow! for my part i'm pretty impressed with Lelith! I think she reflect perfectly the Dancing-queen-of-the-arena with that many attacks!
And i LOVE the choice you have to make at the command phase you gotta have a well thought game plan if you want to maximize the choice you make!
Can't wait to see the remainder of the datasheet to see what comes with it!
So far so good!

albions-angel wrote:

3 charges? How?

I could have punctuated better.
Charge a chaff unit, then charge again.
OR
fall back and charge is always strong.
i did not mean to imply 3 charges.

Also, I just noticed that if lelith destroys any enemy MODELS (not units), she can attack again.
Great against hordes.
Useless against characters.

albions-angel wrote:

JRG wrote:

albions-angel wrote:

Skulnbonz wrote:

Natural perfection could be a game changer.
Charge a chaff unit, then charge another, and fall back and charge again is always strong.

Still hate to see the "DAMAGE=1" though

3 charges? How?

And with AP-3, and that many attacks, might be worth charging a chaff unit, falling back, then charging a character or HQ. S4 isnt amazing, but damn, 7 attacks at AP-3 with exploding 6s? Not many HQs get out of that smiling.

I assume it was intended in two different scenarios, fighting twice in one scenario and in a seperate scenario using the fall back and charge.

Fighting twice wouldnt let you charge twice though.

If the sentence

Skulnbonz wrote:

Charge a chaff unit, then charge another, and fall back and charge again is always strong.

is intended to be split into

1. Charge a chaff unit, then charge another
   
2. fall back and charge again is always strong.
   

and thus matches up with

1. Gory Spectacle
   
2. Thrilling Acrobatics
   

respectively, then I cant see how Gory Spectacle allows for 2 charges. It allows for 2 lots of fighting, I.E. you could charge, fight, they fight, you fight again, but it would need to say you can take your Charge AND Fight phases again for 2 charges to work.

Touché, very true. You would only charge once. Got a bit ahead of myself!

I wonder if the FAQ points are correct, Lelith with fight twice is 90pts, does this mean Drazar (our traditional fight twice char) @ 135pts is going to have even more goodies?

Lelith's fight twice is substantially more conditional than Drazhar's.

Draz needs to get a charge off and can fight twice in a row.

Lelith needs to kill a model and then has to wait until the very end of the fight phase for her second round of attacks. It's a much weaker version of the same ability.

albions-angel wrote:

Im sorry, I am feeling increasingly out of the loop. I only see the Lelith reveal stuff. Whats this about Cult of Strife (I know thats HER cult, but what new rules)?

If this is in reference to my mention of cult of Strife, I simply meant that Lelith always had access to fight twice as a cult of Strife stratagem in the 8th codex. Now with this rule, she effectively gets it for free but stronger as the 8th ed Cult of Strife stratagem was destroy a unit, this is just destroy a model.

I can't see many characters heroically intervening into Lelith anytime soon and if they don't next turn you can fall back and charge them too.

I'm still hoping she's kept or has an updated version of "A league apart" maybe Damage 2 versus characters or a chosen character would be good.

@Burnage very good point but is that the sole reason for his 30pt increase...hopefully not

Devil is in details.
Can you actually use Lelith ability (she has to chose one) inside the transport? Per current rules embarked units cant do anything.

Skulnbonz wrote:

albions-angel wrote:

3 charges? How?

I could have punctuated better.
Charge a chaff unit, then charge again.
OR
fall back and charge is always strong.
i did not mean to imply 3 charges.

She cannot charge a chaff unit, then charge again.

One charge per turn. The charge phase is a separate phase from the fight phase and neither of her rules give her a second charge phase.

1) You declare she's using Gory Spectacle in the command phase.

2) In the charge phase you must declare a charge against both the chaff unit AND the unit she intends to harm AND her charge distance must be enough to reach both units (whether or not she actually makes contact with both) or she does not move.

3) She piles in, fights, then consolidates hopefully in such a way that she can get within an inch of the intended target (but remember, she must end her pile in/consolidate closer to the closest enemy model which may still be surviving chaff models).

4) The intended target now gets to swing on her.

5) If she's still alive, she can now attack the intended target.

It's super situational, and guarantees the intended target a chance to kill her before she attacks again. It's much better used against a single squad. Kill hopefully enough that their retaliation isn't enough to kill her, then try to finish them off.

I'm unimpressed. There are a lot of ways to kill single wound infantry, that don't require a special character to kill on average about 7 models a turn if they don't die between attack volleys. She's, so far, just a much worse Drazhar.

Hopefully the rest of her rules make her good.