Tourney this Saturday (13 jan 2012) - 1750

Its kinda late for C&C but i figured i would post the list now and then the video and photos next week after the event.

First - the list!

Drazhar – 230
Baron Sathonyx – 105

5 Trueborn, 2 dark lances (110), raider with flickerfield (70) – 180
5 Incubi (110), raider with flickerfield (70) – 180

5 Warriors, Blaster (60), venom with additional splinter cannon (65) – 125
5 Warriors, Blaster (60), venom with additional splinter cannon (65) – 125
10 Warriors, blaster (105), raider with flickerfield (70) – 175
10 Warriors, blaster (105), raider with flickerfield (70) – 175

4 Beast Masters (48), Clawed fiend (40), 4 razorwing flocks (60), 3 khymera (36) – 184

Talos, TL Haywire Blaster – 105
Razorwing Jetfighter, splinter cannon, flickerfield – 165

1749 total.

As you can see its kind of a mish mash of units - its basically what is painted and ready to go. This event does not require painting but i won't go to an event without a fully painted force. Half is from my 3rd ed dark eldar (incubi, 2x10 warriors, talos plus 3 raiders) while the rest is my new army.

Draz joins the incubi and the baron with the beasts.

I have found it rather effective to date (unless you count purifers ) That said... the next event will see the list change massively...

Any thoughts welcome - i know i am playing a codex Vulkan list round 1 - Vulkan, Librarian, 5 hammernators, LRR, 2 attack bikes (MM), thunderfire cannon, 2x10 tac marines in rhinos, rifle dread, ven dread.

With a field of 50 players (huge for our area) i am certian to face a grey knight force - either draigo or crowe most likely.

Any general suggestions in regards to my force are welcome!

Wish me luck and a mighty harvest of souls!

Since you mention that your list has been in some way dictated by your models and what is painted, it may be hard to make it more effective, but here is my 2 cent:


I have never used Drazhar, but I have read a lot that he is really overpriced. You could almost get Vect for that. Have you considered a cheaper HQ to add points elsewhere? (you could use them for AT especially)

Assuming the Razorwing has Dark Lances, you still have an underwhelming number of darklight weaponry for a 1750 list. I think the going rate should be 1 for every 100.

The Talos seems out of place and a bit stuck on. The rest of the army is fast or mounted. It will not keep up in this list imo.

I think the trueborn would be best served as 4 blasterborn in a venom. It would give you 2 more AT weapons and won't require you to stand about in a raider. If you don't have an extra venom, you could swap a warrior squad into the raider and give the trueborn the venom, if they take blasters.

Ythillan wrote:

Since you mention that your list has been in some way dictated by your models and what is painted, it may be hard to make it more effective, but here is my 2 cent:

Change in your pocket is always nice - so your 2c is very welcome

Ythillan wrote:

I have never used Drazhar, but I have read a lot that he is really overpriced. You could almost get Vect for that. Have you considered a cheaper HQ to add points elsewhere? (you could use them for AT especially)

Draz stays for a couple of reasons - first he was done up for the Archons challenge and he WILL see the table at an event! Second, he is not as bad as people think. He manipulates the combat well and can do some real damage. My first reason is the best though

Ythillan wrote:

Assuming the Razorwing has Dark Lances, you still have an underwhelming number of darklight weaponry for a 1750 list. I think the going rate should be 1 for every 1k.

I agree - 13 is not ideal. I like 1 per 100 points. Infact the revised version of this for an event in march packs 20. That said, i have done ok with the haywire on the talos and draz can do very well with S6... people overlook this! I was trying to finish up a ravager to swap for the talos but its not going to happen

Ythillan wrote:

The Talos seems out of place and a bit stuck on. The rest of the army is fast or mounted. It will not keep up in this list imo.

I have found it sticks with the beasts just fine and then gets cover from them to boot. He is great AT at range and up close and can be hard to put down. At 105 he is dirt cheap as well. He is more for the 2nd wave alongside the beasts or as a counter attack.

Ythillan wrote:

I think the trueborn would be best served as 4 blasterborn in a venom. It would give you 2 more AT weapons and won't require you to stand about in a raider. If you don't have an extra venom, you could swap a warrior squad into the raider and give the trueborn the venom, if they take blasters.

I can't get my head around blasterborn. I much prefer lanceborn, deployed in cover and the raider free to roam and be annoying. Blasterborn are just too much of a suicide squad for me. I would rather 5 scourges with 2 haywire blasters (130) compared to the 4 blasterborn in venom (173) as the effect is about the same. And the scourges should live longer thanks to mobility and range.

All that said, i do have a unit WIP of 5 trueborn with 4 blasters...

Massaen wrote:

I can't get my head around blasterborn. I much prefer lanceborn, deployed in cover and the raider free to roam and be annoying. Blasterborn are just too much of a suicide squad for me. I would rather 5 scourges with 2 haywire blasters (130) compared to the 4 blasterborn in venom (173) as the effect is about the same. And the scourges should live longer thanks to mobility and range.

Thats really interesting because I'm completely the other way round. Blasterborn are the real stars of my army. Moving in a Venom 6'', lets them have an armoured 10 all round bunker with a 5+ save. With both having the option to shoot at different targets. I have bought some Scourages to do the same unit you suggest ( actually bought two units from E-bay kitted out like that for a steal ) but haven't done so yet as I'm having too much fun with my Blasterborn.

Good luck with the Tourney and looking forward to the Vid

Hells Ya Glad to see someone is using our defuctional phoenix lord! I like your list a lot. I am not a huge fan of wyches. I havent gotten to try beasts or incubi yet but they look fun. Well good look. Go get us some fresh slaves!

That list is not bad for what you have got. And with some good generalship I can see it rocking your opponents world.

Can we get a list of models you have "tournament ready?" like that giving feedback and changes is easier.

The one glaring thing is the lack of a ravager... they are just awesome when it comes to tourneys and the amount of vehicles you will face.

Looking forward to hearing how Drazhar did - I think all of them should be played at least once before anyone comments on their performance.

Talos will do fine and makes a good counter-charger to other foot squads. My last time with the haywire blaster I was able to "pen" a vindicator and blew off its main gun on the first turn - the move plus the range is usually underestimated by the opponent.

Also curious on the beast squad with the Baron - clawed fiends always did ok for me but I later dropped them and kept it at 3 masters, 5 khymeras and 4 razorwing flocks.

You will do fine, good luck and happy hunting!

Thanks for the vote of confidence guys!

In terms of ready models - not many more i can add... I am still painting the trueborn and a unit of 5 warriors now!

I basically built a 1000 point list under the old dex about 2-3 years ago for a local event and am salvaging what i can from that while building new models.

The lack of a ravager should at least get me a few comp points right?!?

I really like the clawed fiend model - this is the main reason for its addition. I also find it very good for soaking multiple PF hits since its T5 means its quite durable. Yeah the damage output is kinda low but S5 vs vehicles can be nice (i manages 1 pen and 2 glances last game with him).

I will post the more competative version in a new thread for the next event as i am still building models for it...