1500 Pt Lists

I've been trying to come up with some good 1500 Pt all comers lists, but I'm having some trouble. I've come up with 4 lists, and would appreciate feedback on them. I'm a fairly new player with only 10 or so games under my belt, and DE are (supposedly) one of the tougher races to master, so any tips for what I'm trying to do would be appreciated as well.

Shooty Blasterborn

Elite: Kabalite Trueborn
1 Haemonculus
3 Kabalite Trueborn + 3x Blaster
1 Venom + Splinter Cannon + Night Shields
2x 3 Kabalite Trueborn + 3x Blaster
1 Venom + Splinter Cannon + Night Shields

Troops
5x 3 Wracks
1 Venom + Splinter Cannon + Night Shields


Heavy Support
2 Ravager + Night Shields + Flickerfield
Heavy Support: Ravager (1#, 125 pts)
1 Voidraven Bomber + Necrotoxin Missile x4 + Night Shields +
Flickerfield

Harlequin

Troops
1 Haemonculus
4 Wracks
1 Venom + Splinter Cannon + Night Shields
5x 3 Wracks
1 Venom + Splinter Cannon + Night Shields

Heavy Support
3x 1 Ravager + Night Shields + Flickerfield

Elite
3 Kabalite Trueborn + Dark Lance x2
1 Venom + Splinter Cannon + Night Shields
6 Harlequin Troupe + Harlequins Kiss x6
1 Death Jester + Harlequins Kiss
1 Shadowseer + Harlequins Kiss + Fusion Pistol
1 Troupe Master + Fusion Pistol

Balanced

Troops
2x 1 Haemonculus + Agoniser
5 Wyches + Hydra Gauntlets x1
1 Hekatrix + Agoniser 20
1 Raider + Flickerfield
3x 3 Wracks, 30 pts = 3 * 10
1 Venom + Splinter Cannon + Night Shields

Elite
2x 3 Kabalite Trueborn + Dark Lance x2
1 Venom + Splinter Cannon + Night Shields

Heavy Support
3x 1 Ravager + Night Shields + Flickerfield
Heavy Support: Ravager (1#, 125 pts)


Unballanced

Elite
1 Archon + Agoniser + Haywire Grenades + Phantasm Grenade
Launcher + Combat Drugs + Shadow Field
1 Urien Rakarth
9 Grotesques + Master Haemonculus

Heavy Support
3x 1 Ravager + Night Shields + Flickerfield

Troops
4x 3 Wracks
1 Venom + Splinter Cannon + Night Shields



I know its a lot, but thanks for any feedback!

better clip the point costs due to copyright restrictions and forum rules...

if you are looking for a cheap beginners list, might I suggest this one

150-Archon w/ Huskblade, Soultrap, Shadowfield, Combat Drugs, Haywire Grenades
223- 9 Wyches w/ Haywire Grenades, 1 Shardnet, Hekatrix w/ Agoniser; Raider w/ Flickerfields, Shock Prows
245- 10 Wyches w/ Haywire Grenades, 2 Hydra Gauntlets (or Razorflails, your choice), Hekatrix w/ Agoniser; Raider w/ Flickerfields, Shock Prows
190- 10 Warriors w/ Splinter Cannon, Blaster; Raider w/ Flickerfields, Shock Prow
190- 10 Warriors w/ Splinter Cannon, Blaster; Raider w/ Flickerfields, Shock Prow
78- 3 Reavers w/ Heat Lance
78- 3 Reavers w/ Heat Lance
115- Ravager w/ Flickerfields
115- Ravager w/ Flickerfields
115- Ravager w/ Flickerfields

total- 1499

This is an easy beginners list that shows you alittle bit of everything about dark eldar, as well as giving you a base from which you can build a like that more suites your own style. On top of all of that its only 2 battleforces, 2 raiders, 3 ravagers, and an Archon blister. Cheap comparing to any other army for the same points value.

As for your lists you are kinda on the right track, but the reliance of 3 wracks for troops is going to hurt as soon as those venoms blow up. Trust me Ive tried it and under 1k its fine, but over 1k you better start looking into warriors or wyches to fill your troop requirement. They bring so much instead of being just a 30 pt upgrade to make a fragile vehicle scoring.

I already have an almost similar list (no reaves and 4 groups of kabalites (DL, no blasters) and got tabled pretty handily with it, the guys I play with dont mess around. And I'll go up against a bit of everything, orks, nids, tau, necrons, wolves, and one guy who has a CSM army that supposedly hasn't been beat fairly (he also fields a BA list thats pretty nasty).

I'm looking at your list and it doesnt seem like you bring a lot to the table in it. I only see two units that will actually be doing any scoring (the warriors). You have a lot of anti mech but rely almost solely on your wyches for anti inf (and i've not had a great experience w/ wyches) It also seems like it would make more sense to take a squad of 2 haemun and toss them in with the wyches to they can start out with fnp, and if you got rid of a single group of reavers you should be able to do that (skimming some points from here or there). I see alot of eternal warrior among the people i play against too, so idk how well the huskblade/soultrap combo would work, but ill give it a go.

Long story short, i've just had better luck in my game with quantity over quality, and having each unit specialized (so no warriors with a splinter cannon and a blaster) that being said, whats the method to your madness, so to speak.

Also, paying that many points for a model that can easily bite it in one hit (the archon), would you be better off puting him with a more sturdy unit, like some bloodbrides to bring the extra shardnets into play, or even some incubi?

CSM being unbeaten??? What magical list is he running???

actually there are 4 scoring units (wychs are scoring btw...) and the warriors are built for AI, not AT, and the reavers have a dual role in this list. Plus its not about being quality over quantity, its survivabilty and giving you the flexibility of messing up, and still being able to do something. DE is a fickle armies, and most venomspam lists you see on the internet need to be played exactly right, or else you will lose the game really quickly. This gives you the bodies to surivive the raider crash, get back up, and still be a force that needs to be delt with.

Also while giving the wyches a Haemie to start with is a good idea, its hard to use as that haemie should not be getting out with the wyches (he is just an easy KP that can be singled out) and again... new players will make mistakes like that if you give them the option to. On top of that it lowers their killy output considerably (one less body and one less wych weapon) and if played right, they should be able to pick up a pain token easily.

Also what EW are you running into at 1.5k??? Short of Daemons most EW are special characters, which run anywhere from 200~250 ish pts, which is a huge point sink at 1.5k. On top of that you must remember that for 150 pts you have the best save in the game!!! Sure you dont want to push it, but remember that the Archon is no pushover. He is hitting on 3s and all it takes is one wound before they are dead (unless EW like you said... but then you dont kill him with the Archon, you hit him with the other squad of wyches after shooting them to death with the warriors)

You have to remember that DE is not like any other army. If you start to think of our troops like Marine players do and just another way to get a razorback scoring and get an extra melta into their list, then you have already lost 80% of your games. DE troops provide so much for their point value, and I think they are probably the most important part of any list build (well... ravagers might beat them out... but thats beside the point)

This list isnt going to beat top tier longfang GH spam or BA las/plas spam unless the dice are in your favor, but you have a ton of AT in 1.5k, and both great AI shooting and AI combat skills. Proxy it if you want and see how it fairs, but Im confident that this list will do well if played right. Its a great beginners all comers list, which is what you need from the sound of it.

Seriously though... I want that CSM list if that guy is truely unbeaten...

Not unbeatable anymore, but very nearly so... The guy is just amazing at any sort of tactics games. I've never beat him at SC, Risk, Chess, or Axis and Allies. I played him this morning and eeked out a minor victory, but it really came down to a lucky roll on turn 7. It was two venoms firing away from being a tie (and he failed 5 out of 6 wounds). I was running the first list btw. Night Shields are a must (as its the only thing that saved me from bolt of change and multimeltas on a regular basis).

Nightshields are a hit or miss actually. I love them in the fact that before this dex, it was the only potection we had Nowadays I rarely take them, but they are very good at what they do, which is keeping meltas and rapid fire off our backs. That being said if you are that close to need them to begin with and havent whiped that squad off the face of the earth, you might want to think about playing less agressive with your venoms. They need to be in the magical 18 in range, but you need to make sure nothing is able to get them without it being long range fire support.

it was a unique situation with a U shaped building, had to come around the side of it but another building kept me from keeping my distance so i was always 12" - 18" away...