2 1500 pt lists to choose from

The tournament will be standard book missions and really no shenanigans. Just normal game play. I have 2 lists I'm trying to choose between. Vote for the one you like. Also looking for feedback in general on them.

1.

Kabal of the twisted torment

1500 pt Coven List

HQ
Urien Rakarth - 190


Elites
3 Grotesques, Aberation with venom blade, +1 St and a liquifier gun with Urien in a Raider, - 190
4 blasterborn in a venom with duel splinter cannons, NS - 183

Troops
10 Kabolite Warriors, splinter cannon, Raider with Splinter Racks, NS - 180
10 wracks, 2 liquifier guns, Raider - 190
5 warriors, blaster in a venom with duel splinter cannons - 125
5 warriors, blaster in a venom with duel splinter cannons - 125

Heavy Support
Ravager, NS - 115

Ravager, NS - 115

Talos Pain Engine, Twin linked Liquifier gun - 105

For this list, should I get rid of my night shields in order to get the flyer in there? I have to worry about flyers in my meta.

2.

HQ
Baron - 105
Hammy w/ liquifier gun, venom blade - 60

Elites
4 blasterborn in a venom with duel splinter cannons - 173


Fast Attack
3 Beastmasters, 5 kymera, 4 razorwing flocks - 156


Troops
10 Kabolite Warriors, splinter cannon, Raider with Splinter Racks - 170
9 wracks, 1 liquifier guns, Raider - 170
5 warriors, blaster in a venom with duel splinter cannons - 125
5 warriors, blaster in a venom with duel splinter cannons - 125
3 wracks, in a venom duel splinter cannons - 95


Heavy Support
Ravager - 105

Ravager - 105

Talos Pain Engine, Twin linked Liquifier gun - 105

Urien's list looks like a lot of fun to play. I've been enjoying Skari's battlereps and he has been doing very well with it.

Yes, they are fun to watch. He's very good at batreps. My list how ever is different than his. I dont run the wyches, and instead run warriors. I also have 2 ravagers and talos instead of his 2 taloi. I also don't have any scourge and instead run my blasterborn. Also, I'm trying to figure out if I should ditch a ravager for a flyer or not. I know for sure I'll be facing flyers in other lists. The hell turkeys are the ones im really afraid of. I just don't want to lose my first turn dark lances.

I like both of your lists and I will eventually transition to either one of these from a more "standard" transport spam list.

In list 2 the heamys points are incorrect. should be 65. Hopefully this doesnt change anything.

Id go for list 1 if i knew nothing about the opponents but the lists are close enough to let local meta decide for me.

Best of luck and report back, we are all eager to know the results!

So I took the first list but made one of my ravagers a flyer by making a few changes. I had to deal with the helldrakes that I was expecting. I ended up not facing a helldrake at all and the people who normally bring them didnt. How ever another player i havnt seen before was there and brought 2 helldrakes!!!! It was a beat stick army with mauler fiends and helldrakes to do the heavy lifting. His entire army was all beatstick units.

My army faired well. My lances did pretty much nothing. They didnt have many tanks to shoot at. I played eldar, marines, and tyranids. I lost to eldar due to bad first turn issues, and the fact the guy is nationally ranked didnt give me much hope to come back. The marines didnt take a single tank and instead took those guns with toughness instead. I demolished him completely off the table by turn 4 i believe. My venom fire took out the guns and then my wracks and grots turboed behind his defensive line and proceeded to liquifier and charge everything right out of the gate. The Nids, i danced around and killed all of his important stuff that had range and then took my wracks and grot units up to liquifier the crap out of the oppenents little swarm he had. I charged in and wiped everything out by turn 5. If my army was fully painted I would have taken 3rd place but instead took 6th out of 14.

both are decent lists. Something I wont play, but hey, to each their own.

I would go with the first one. Why I dont like Urien (well... I wont say that. I like him, but he isnt the best) atleast it brings another darklight shot over the beasts, which is always good.