Trying out Webway spam. let me know what you think.

HQ

Asdrubel Vect: (240)

Haemonculus: (100) (105) (110)
~3~ Webway portal, Crucible of Malediction, Shattershard, Dark gate.

EL

Kabalite Trueborn: (198) [4] [4] [4]
~4~ Blaster. –Raider- Night shields, Flickerfield, Torment Grenade Launchers, Grisly Trophies.

TR

Kabalite Warriors: (85) [5] [5] [5] [5]
Blaster, Sybarite, Blast pistol.

Wyches: (255) [15] [15]
~3~ Shardnet & impaler, Hekatrix, Agoniser, Blast pistol, Haywire grenades.

Trying to decide if i want to cut off a wych squad and a hemme to add ravagers or viod ravens but not to sure. i also would like to know what ppl think about mandrakes? would they be worth it attatched to an archon with PGL? and are scourges usefull as five man squads with haywire blasters? anyone use them before.

Your formatting is a bit hard to under stand, but I'll give it a shot.

You lack anti tank something fierce. Drop some of the wyches for a ravager.

Overall, this list doesn't look too well optimized for WWP spam. No jump infantry or high T Coven troops, I can't help but think that this list would work better as a standard mech list.

LoneZealot wrote:: HQ

Asdrubel Vect: (240)

Vect is cool but don't know how much he helps your army (yes he helps you go first but if you set up to go first and fail 50/50 you could be in trouble)

Haemonculus: (100) (105) (110)
~3~ Webway portal, Crucible of Malediction, Shattershard, Dark gate.

Don't know that you need 3 wwp deliveries (if you were going to drop one drop the dark gate one)

EL

Kabalite Trueborn: (198) [4] [4] [4]
~4~ Blaster. –Raider- Night shields, Flickerfield, Torment Grenade Launchers, Grisly Trophies.

Venoms are a better transport for trueborn w/blasters in my opinion with a smaller profile that allows them to be hidden easier

TR

Kabalite Warriors: (85) [5] [5] [5] [5]
Blaster, Sybarite, Blast pistol.

Sybarite w/blast pistol in a foot unit is a good way to waste 100pts (over 4 units)

Wyches: (255) [15] [15]
~3~ Shardnet & impaler, Hekatrix, Agoniser, Blast pistol, Haywire grenades.

I wouldn't worry about the blast pistol

My comments in red

You lack long range anti-tank and have spent a lot of points on very short ranged anti tank.

Ok you could drop the 3rd haimie (+110)change the trueborn rides to venoms w/twin cannons and trophies and nightshields (+30pts), drop syb w/pistols (+100), drop wych pistols and shardnets (+90) this gives you 330pts which would buy you 3 shiny Ravagers and 15pts left over.

ok how about this then :

HQ

Baron Sathonyx: (105)

Haemonculus: (100) (105)
~2~ Webway portal, Crucible of Malediction, Shattershard.

EL

Kabalite Trueborn: (178) [4] [4] [4]
~4~ Blaster. –Raider- Flickerfield.

TR

Kabalite Warriors: (60) [5] [5] [5] [5]
Blaster.

Hellions: (335) [20]
Helliarch, Stunclaw.

Wyches: (220) [10]
Hekatrix, Agoniser, Haywire grenades. –Raider- Flickerfield.

HS

Ravager: (125) [2]
Night shields, Flickerfield.

Cronos: (110)
Syphon, Vortex, Probe

TB should be in a venom. Hellions need an agoinser. Rav doesnt need NS.

if you change the TB raider to a venom, drop the chronos for a 2nd rav w/ FF

Baron Tordeck wrote:: TB should be in a venom. Hellions need an agoinser. Rav doesnt need NS.

if you change the TB raider to a venom, drop the chronos for a 2nd rav w/ FF

dont have any venoms so cant do that yet, i like having the extra DL tho as a precaution, dont think i need more AI in this list. For the Hellions i like the ability of dragging out an IC after i assault a few squads, i can kill the IC on there Turn with right placement and then on my turn i can assault again. keeps them in combat so they stay alive longer. i think thats a good trade off pirat

and i already have two ravagers in the list Cronos is for distractions if need be or horde list. helps my footmen stay alive longer too.

Your name wouldn't happen to be Johnathan, would it?

With a cousin named Eric?

Veldrith wrote:: Your name wouldn't happen to be Johnathan, would it?

With a cousin named Eric?

yes sir.

Hi! This is Nick! Smile

Anyway, let's see:

Too many Haemonculi, and I don't understand where they're supposed to go. Where are their Wrack escorts, so they survive long enough to drop their little portable hole?

The Baron, I feel, is an overall better choice for your HQ -- same chance of going 1st, but you're not left waiting in suspense to find out whether V. decides he wants to steal on a 4+ or not. You either win the roll or you don't, and plan accordingly, which is good for a WWP army.

Haemonculi need SOMETHING durable to drop portals. My personal preference is a 20-man Warrior squad with 3 Haemonculi with WWP attached. The Warriors are Fearless and FNP'd in cover, and you can simply deploy them very far forward, march a Haemi up (or more, if you need), and deploy a WWP, while leaving the other Haemies behind to ensure the Warriors remain Fearless. On Turn 2, another forward move can drop another WWP, and so on.

Hellions.. Who knows, man? I'm not scared of them, but I'm sure other people would be. They're quick, and give the Baron some folks to zoom around with.

However, if the Baron needed an escort, my choice would be Scourges. 5-10 of 'em, with 2-4 special weapons, Jumppacks, Shard Carbines, offensive/defensive grenades, Stealth, and a fair melee character in there to smack around sissy squads like Tacticals, Gants, etc.. 3+ Stealth (and maybe FNP, if you attach a Haemi to 'em in the beginning) with 4 special weapons and a bunch of bodies to soak firepower with will be a very expensive squad, but a very tough one as well, and the power of those weapons firing every single turn, AND drawing fire they can soak, is cool.

Blaster Trueborn are .. you know, Blaster Trueborn. What's there to say?

Wyches with Haywires? Cool beans. They're better AT than people think, and are extremely nasty coming out of the portal in a 15-man squad, but they can only have 2 Wych Weapons.

5-man Blaster Warriors. Meh, I miss pistols, but if you don't have the points, whatever.

Well the list totally failed me in the tornament so im going back to what i know. was fun flying around with the hellions tho, there decent but not consistantly usefull.

still needs minor tweaking any thought(s) would be great.

HQ

Vect: (240)

Archon: (170)
Huskblade, shadow field, combat drugs, soul trap, phantasm.

EL

Incubi: (232) [6]
Klaivex, Bloodstone. -Raider- Flickerfield.

Trueborn: (134) [7] [7]
Darklance x2.

TR

Warriors: (158) [7] [7] [7] [7]
Blaster. -Raider- Night shields, Splinter racks.

HS
Ravager: (125) [2]
Night shields, Flickerfield.

Voidraven Bomber: (205)
Necrotoxin x4, Night shields, Flickerfield.

Archon goes with the incubi for grenades and to tear up squads out in the open or troops once there poped open from there transports. Vect can go with the incubi if i know there going to get into a multi assault fist turn, if not i stick him with a squad of warriors and fly him around to act as a terror troop and kill weaklings as needed. im keeping the trueborn in the back as support if i need more fire power can always fleet them or come back with an empty raider to scoop them up. warriors are well.. warriors so they can do almost any job pretty good. and finally ravager pops those pesky transports and heavy tanks as needed. the bomber i threw in there just in case i fight a horde army with those necro missiles it should ether pin something down or take out a chunk or there troops. after that just blast those land raiders and heavy tanks out of the sky if it lives long enough.

Good? bad? ugly?

Slave Posts : 7 Join date : 2011-06-14

Why 7 trueborn with 2 dark lances? if you want DLs - buy Blasterborn in venom or 3 Trueborn with 2 DLs
Splinter racks is really meh - you can move only 6 inches and you have armor 10 in raider - raiders wont last long enough. Drop them
where is archon / vect is going? with incubi? Wrong choice, you will get a squad of bazillion points in one Armor 10 raider - they wont get to the enemy then. The best choice is venom for them. Drop klaivex with bloodstone - it is powerful, but way too much points - 30 if i remember correctly.
Drop night shield on ravager - it wont help.
I think you have too much anti tank - i suggest venoms for blasterborn and incubi, otherwise you have not enough anti - infantry.
Voidraven Bomber - drop it. Void Mine is hard to use cause of scatter, 2 void lances are equal to 3 DLs on ravager, and you can have similar rockets on Razorwing. Better get razorwing with monoscythe - it has AP 5 which will help a bit in killing infantry, you will still wound on 2+ and you dont need pinning - mostly razorwing has enough armor to shoot only once and with all rockets in one target - you want to kill them with it, not pin them.

Last edited by LoneZealot on Fri Jun 24 2011, 00:54; edited 1 time in total

ok well i learned from my recent game that the trueborn with two DL and no raider dont do well out in the open even with seven in the squad shooting at the ppl going to charge them and like you guys said the voidraven is way to many points for just str 9 lances ... made some more changes and still want more opinions Very Happy

HQ

Duke. (150)

Heamonculus: (60) [3]
Liquifier gun.

EL

Trueborn: (173) [4]
blaster x4 -venom- splinter cannon x2

TR

Wyches: (196) [8] [8]
hekatrix, agoniser, Haywire grenades. -raider- Flickerfield

Warriors: (167) [8] [8] [8]
blaster. -raider- night shields, splinter racks.

FA

Reavers: (196) [6]
heat lace x2, cluster caltrops x2.

HS

Ravager: (125) [2]
flickerfield, night shields.

Razorwing: (155)
Diss. x2 Night shields

Duke is going with one of the warrior squads to buff them up with a heami going with him as well. the other two heami are going with the wyches to give them fnp and act as a moving flamer in the left over raiders later on. wyches will be in the back chilling till they find something to assault or counter assault. everything else will be shooting down everything in there path Twisted Evil

any better from the last lists?

Slave Posts : 7 Join date : 2011-06-14

Drop Splinter racks - too much points, you will use them for, maybe, one round of shootingRaiders are better with NS, while on Ravager NS are useless. Drop it on ravager, for raider - dunno just use which you like the mostOn reavers HL and Cluster caltrops are good, but not both at the same time, you cant shoot and turboboost at the same time.You have a mistake - 3 TB with Blasters and Venom w/ 2 Splinter Cannons are 146 pts i think, 173 are 4 TB + BlastersAnd give Razorwing Splinter cannon.

thanks you where right it the pionts were for the four man squad i changed it above. for the other stuff /shrug i had extra points so i threw the caltrops on the reavers and i find splinter racks usefull. dont really know what else to add, i would have to downgrade alot of things to get the points for something usefull.

Slave Posts : 7 Join date : 2011-06-14

Splinter racks arent useful at all, you must move 6 inches only, while you can move 12, disembark 2 and shoot.
Haemi's raider MUST be with NS if you want to use it as a flamer
.In total, you can free either 80 points (Caltrops, Splinter racks, NS on the ravager) or 64 poins (HLs,Splinter racks, NS on the ravager). For this points you can buy Splinter cannon for Razorwing + something for haemonculus/ more bodies for other squdas. 80 points wasted are 5% of your army.
And really, maybe i dont know, but in which raider your enemy will shoot first? Right...Both Duke and Haemonculus in one squad is REALLY REALLY bad. In first turn he will blast his raider and then they will be either footslogging either dead.

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