Hard Boyz list 2500

Here is my list.

2500pts.

Duke Slisus 150

Urien Rakarth 190 (With the Grotesque)

3 grotesque with liquifier gun and raider with FF/NS 210

Haemonculus with CoM/Liquifier Gun/ venom Blade 85

8 wracks with 2 Liquifier Gun and a Raider FF/NS 180

Haemonculus with Dark Gate / venom Blade 80

8 wracks with Hexrifle/Liquifier Gun and a Raider FF/NS 195

3 trueborn Blaster with Venom FF/NS/SP cannon 156

3 trueborn Blaster with Venom FF/NS/SP cannon 156

ravager 1 dl ,2 dis with FF/NS 125

ravager 1 dl ,2 dis with FF/NS 125

Razorwing with 2 Dl 1 SC cannon, 4 Mono Missles with FF/NS 175

7 wyches agoniser, haywire grenade and shard net and impaler along with Raider - FF/NS/Grisley Trophies 209

7 wyches agoniser, haywire grenade and shard net and impaleralong with Raider - FF/NS/Grisley Trophies 209

20 Kabite warrior squadwith a Sybrite-agoniser,Ghost Plate-Blaster and two splinter cannons 255

Total 2500

What do you guys think? I believe I may be a little all over the board. Looking forward to your feed back.

depayen wrote:

Duke Slisus 150

He's going with...the big Warrior squad? It's that or one of the Wyches, so i'm guessing big warrior squad. Interesting setup, no giant issues, though I think they'll be too slow to really help most of the army.

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Urien Rakarth 190 (With the Grotesque)

3 grotesque with liquifier gun and raider with FF/NS 210

Considering his rules I'm really bewildered why you're pairing up so many Haems with your Wracks - why do they need 3 pain tokens at game start? 1 is the major oomph, and 2 is a solid upgrade, but 3 is meh. I'd much rather see the Haems with the Wyches to give those poor girls some FNP. Doing that you could also save points by dropping the Venom Blades.

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Haemonculus with CoM/Liquifier Gun/ venom Blade 85

8 wracks with 2 Liquifier Gun and a Raider FF/NS 180

2 Liquifiers in 8 Wracks? *cough*checkyourcodexagain*cough*

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Haemonculus with Dark Gate / venom Blade 80

8 wracks with Hexrifle/Liquifier Gun and a Raider FF/NS 195

I'm...guessing this unit has an Acothyst upgrade, yeah? I think the Hexrifle is a pretty terrible weapon in any case though, I'd drop the points on a h2h weapon - that's what ths squad is supposed to be about anyway. Something seems off with your point total here too - I'd double check your points.

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3 trueborn Blaster with Venom FF/NS/SP cannon 156

3 trueborn Blaster with Venom FF/NS/SP cannon 156

Fine. And you *desperately* need the anti-tank. I actually think your army is WAY too geard to deal with horde and way too weak versus mech lists. It's Ard Boyz - lots of people are showing up with multiple vehicles, you should have a way to deal with 10+ vehicles.

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ravager 1 dl ,2 dis with FF/NS 125

ravager 1 dl ,2 dis with FF/NS 125

Pretty 'meh' on your weapon loadout considering how much other anti-infantry options you have.

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Razorwing with 2 Dl 1 SC cannon, 4 Mono Missles with FF/NS 175

Fine, though it's another anti-infantry beatstick here.

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7 wyches agoniser and shard net and impaleralong with Raider - FF/NS/Grisley Trophies 209

7 wyches agoniser and shard net and impaleralong with Raider - FF/NS/Grisley Trophies 209

More anti infantry. I'd honestly add in some Haywire Grenades if, for no other reason, to give them a tool against Dreads. It's also pretty sweet for dealing with parking lots.

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20 Kabite warrior squadwith a Sybrite-agoniser,Ghost Plate-Blaster and two splinter cannons 255

Fine, though, as noted, probably too slow to really help the rest of the list and I'd probably work in the Blasters.

The sad thing here is the ol' 5 Warriors, Blaster, Venom w. extra cannon build would probably be more effective than this unit (since it'd be shooting up stuff Turn 1 or 2 at latest while the big squad is looking more Turn 2-3), and would probably generate more actual shots over the course of the game as well, and would save you well over 100 points.

Also, it just occurred to me - you have an illegal HQ selection.

1 - Duke
1 - Urien
1 - 2 Haems

That's 3 HQ slots, Urien doesn't count in the regular 1-3 Haem selection.

Duke is with the wyches but he is giving I believe its called the venoms bite to the 20 man squad.

The ravagers are set up this way cause they our my old ones and I havn't pick up the new ones yet to put on all dark lances. Also the ravenwing is in there because My third Ravager has 3 Dis.

Wrack liquifier count I will check into it.

I thought Urien fit into the haem 3 for 1 HQ choice. Where or what says he doesn't.

I like what you have to says and looking at some tweak per your advise. I was also thinking of taking off the NS on the venoms.

Double check your Codex for how Venom's Bite works - he needs to deploy with the unit he's giving it to - he could pull some Turn 1 deploy with, than seperate and hop in Wych Raider shenanigans, but you'll need to plan for that in deployment.

Where does it say Urien counts? Go look at the Haemy entry that allows multiple Hamies in one slot (pg 85), than look for the Urien option - it isn't there. He's his own HQ entry and doesn't benefit from that rule.

depayen wrote:

I thought Urien fit into the haem 3 for 1 HQ choice. Where or what says he doesn't.

The question is not, what says he doesn't, but nothing says he does.
The Haemonculus entry says:

DE_C p.85 wrote:

You may include between 1 and three Haemonculi per HQ choice, though only one of these may be a Haemonculus Ancient .

And as Urien Rakarth may be a Haemonculus fluffwise, he is not a Haemonculus as stated in the Army list, he's only an Urien Rakarth, not less, but not more. His entry does neither allow him to be fielded as Haemonculus (Ancient or not) nor tells us, that he counts as Haemonculus.

It looks like In will be removing Urien and the grotesques and their raider now have add in 400 pts.

Troop slots are your friend.

Actually, looking over what you have and don't have in the list, here are some considerations probably in rough order of how I would advocate them;

1. Additional Trueblasters.
2. Additional Troop selection (Warriors or Wyches).
3. Beastmasters.

More anti tank for sure. The Ravagers with mixed weapons are not a great idea as they can always fire all three when moving at 12". Other tanks (SM Predator) can be effective with a mixed weapons payload as they can only fire one of them when moving at 6". The whole point of the awesomeness that is the DE Ravager is that it can fire three dark light weapons while moving 12" for only 105pts.

And not be an butt, but do read the codex before turning in your list

butt? won't let me type a**. I really should be used to this by now...

Here is my revised list.

2500pts.

Duke Slisus 150

Haemonculus with CoM/Liquifier Gun/ venom Blade 85

8 wracks with 1 Liquifier Gun and a Raider FF/NS 170

Haemonculus with Liquifier Gun / venom Blade 65

8 wracks including a Acothyst with Hexrifle/Liquifier Gun and a Raider FF/NS 195

3 trueborn Blaster with Venom FF/NS/SP cannon 156

3 trueborn Blaster with Venom FF/NS/SP cannon 156

ravager 1 dl ,2 dis with FF/NS 125

ravager 1 dl ,2 dis with FF/NS 125

Razorwing with 2 Dl 1 SC cannon, 4 Mono Missles with FF/NS 175

7 wyches agoniser, haywire grenade and shard net and impaler along with Raider - FF/NS 204

7 wyches agoniser, haywire grenade and shard net and impaleralong with Raider - FF/NS 204

8 Hexatrix Bloodbrides including a Syren with an agonizer, haywire grenades, 2 shardnet impalers. Raider with FF/NS 250

10warriors included ia a Sybrite with venom blades, Blaster an splinter cannon. Raider with FF/NS/Splinter Rack 220

10warriors included ia a Sybrite with venom blades, Blaster an splinter cannon. Raider with FF/NS/Splinter Rack 220

Total 2500

I like the feedback thank you. EvilspaceElf I know your trying not to be a butt but you are being one. The same can be said to you read the whole forum you might find out why the ravagers are set up that way. I agree with you and Thor665 on them just don't have them for now. Let us just say we are both having a off day and leave it at that.

Thor665 I think I will run 1 haem with a 7 man wych squad and the other with the bloodbrides. With the Duke I was either thinking of placing him with a wrack unit or bloodbribes. I am open on what to do here or something else completly.

I read the part about the old ravagers not having DL's. My old ones had the 3XDC layout too. I still had the the DL's though to change them out. Being a bits pack rat payed off for once.

6 full troop choices will serve you well.

I agree I just don't have DL to switch out.

If you have time before the tournament you might be able to find some cheap or trade for something that you don't want on Bartertown.