My ard boyz list heheh

Duke
9 man warrior squad blaster, raider with DL/FF, syb blaster pitol and venom blade
3x10 man warrior squad blaster/SC, raider with DL(FF on one), syb blaster pistol and VB(in two squads)
5 man warrior squad in Venom blaster and syb with VB/BP
3x Blasterborn in raiders with DL with 4 guys with 4 blasters
2x Razorwings with Dissies/SC and monoscythes NS/FF
Razorwing with DLs and monoscythes NS/FF

Scourges x5 with 2xSCs

Ok here is my question, I am adding the scourges to the list as I typically do not use them as i dont play over 2k normally. Obviously I am using them as anti-infantry. Reavers are my next addition, should i run them in two squads of three and a heat lance or one squad of 7 with two heat lances? I am not too sure what to do with them and am considering more scourges instead to fit with the DS thing. I guess i could possibly do Hellions as well when it comes down to it, I have 360ish points to spend if I drop some point burner items in the main list.



Anywho: so more scourges, 2x3 or 7 reavers, or hellions for my final 360ish points? I could add another redundant troop squad yay...

do one squad of 7, less kill points and have to cause more dmg to get to those heat lances

I've argued it before, I'll argue it again;

2 squads of 3 is harder to kill than 1 squad of 6 (or 7 even)

I am not a fan of that Sybarite in the unit the Duke will be joining. First off - you'll already have a blast pistol from the Duke. Second, you'll already get Ld. 9 from the Duke. Third, you're giving up splinter rifles, which the Duke's rules help. Fourth, he's really only good if you start assaulting, and if that unit needs to assault something that 3 extra attacks with a Venom blade will make a difference on - you should probably just rapid fire it instead.

I think the Syb in the Venom squad is also a mistake - that squad should never try to assault anything.

Also, if you're taking 3 Razorwings you're already coming out with a massive amount of anti-infantry firepower there - why do you need Scourges to provide more anti-infantry? I'd take RJBs just to have some more anti-tank firepower. Also, I'd probably take Scourges w. Haywire Blasters if you wanted Scourges, because then they'd be really solid anti-mech as well, and I think that's what the list will really need.

Not that i disagree with you, but I have a few days to plan so let me tell you my reasonings and whether you still agree.
when I point at something I want to die, i want to make sure its dead. Too many times have that same squad fired and only stunned its target instead of killing it, so the more I fire the better chance i will hurt it. I am not concerned at all with the dukes other rules besides the deep striking. If i get to use them, great, they arent the prime use of him for me. To me, 3 blasters in a squad is better than 2. The Venom blade probably will not get used, but on occasion it has been advantageous for me to charge rather than shoot.

The syb in the venom squad was a typo, he actually has a blaster pistol not a venom blade.

To a degree I side with you about having Anti-infantry covered with the Razorwings, but sometimes their shots are not enough and I would like to have volume of fire, just in case someone drops something really unusual against me like a spread out 90 guardian list. Thinking just one squad though. I have AT covered pretty well with my force i think so a cheap squad of Scourges really isnt that big an investment at 2500. Even in smaller games I have not run out of targets for my RW after they fired their missiles.

Now that I have sat through lunch I have come up with another means of point filling which i will add.
Scourges x5 with 2 SCs 130
Reavers x3 with a heatlances 76(I think off the top of my head)
Warriors x10 Blaster/ SC, Syb with BP. Raider with DL 190

I need to go buy and build alot of this but I think it will work. How does that sound?
Note I have never had an issue being in range for blaster pistols with this list

List is the same as above with this as the new troops and FA slots and I end up with 19 points to spare so the Duke's raider keeps its FF and I add a Venom blade to another warrior squad.
Warrior squad x9 Blaster, Syb with blaster pistol/Venom blade, Raider with DL and FF-196
Warrior Squad x10 Blaster, SC, Syb with blaster pistol/Venom blade, Raider with DL 195
Warrior Squad x10 Blaster, SC, Syb with blaster pistol/Venom blade, Raider with DL 195
Warrior Squad x10 Blaster, SC, Syb with blaster pistol/Venom blade, Raider with DL 195
Warrior Squad x10 Blaster, SC, Syb with blaster pistol, Raider with DL 190
Warrior Squad x5 Blaster, Syb with blaster pistol, Venom with SC 150

Reavers x3 heat lance 76
Scourges x5 SC x2 130

3:15 Edit: Having looked online and seen a few of the lists people are thinking of bringing, I am reconsidering. Thinking of dropping all the 10 man squads down to 5 and getting rid of the VBs. In their place adding 3 bikes with a heat lance to the squad and another unit of SC armed scourges. Or I can add 3 bikes, and bring another unit of 6. Hmmm?

How does those sound? Any better? It definately reflects more the fact of my warrior squads being expendable. I think it adds to the overall firepower as well, especially the latter option of the 2 6 bike squads.

Ok, think I finalized my list. How does it look? Redundant enough? Comes up to exactly 2500 points.
Duke Big Pants 150
True Born x4 4xBlasters, Raider with DL 168
True Born x4 4xBlasters, Raider with DL 168
True Born x4 4xBlasters, Raider with DL 168
Razorwing Dissies, FF/NS +SC 175
Razorwing Dissies, FF/NS +SC 175
Razorwing Dark Lance, FF 155
Warriors x7 Blaster, Syberite w/Venom Blade/Blaster Pistol, Raider DL 168
Warriors x5 Blaster, Syberite Blaster Pistol, Raider DL 145
Warriors x5 Blaster, Syberite Blaster Pistol, Raider DL 145
Warriors x5 Blaster, Syberite Blaster Pistol, Raider DL 145
Warriors x5 Blaster, Syberite Blaster Pistol, Raider DL 145
Warriors x5 Blaster, Venom +SC 125
Reaver Jet Bikes x6 2x Heat lance 156
Reaver Jet Bikes x6 2x Heat lance 156
Reaver Jet Bikes x6 2x Heat lance 156

Once I saw the sprues for the reavers I couldnt resist, they are some cool minis. Now I need to come up with tactics and how to mesh them with the rest of my DSing list. Probably will either reserve them and come out in as close to a swarm as possible or start them all on one end of the board in a big group and swarm them in a refused flank kind of situation and try to roll up the opponent's flank. I think it will make life easier on the rest of my force and at least serve as a serious distraction my opponent cant afford to ignore. I might not even stop and just zoom back and forth on turbo hoping for bladevane kills.