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PostSubject: Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list   Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 05 2012, 17:25

Hey there, some are following my project page on http://www.thedarkcity.net/t3029-void-scorpions, but I wanted to offer my final 1500 point fluff list for your scrutiny. Goal is as much building an army that I like, as well as doing it without buying things I don't use in my 400 or 1000 point lists, for the budget is sharp.

Here it is:

HQ (265 points)

- succubus with venom blade and haywire grenades (75 points)
- haemonculus with vexator mask, animus vitae and scissorhand (80 points)
- 3 bloodbrides with haywire grenades (45 points)
- venom with dual splinter cannons (65 points)

TROOPS (770 points)

- hekatrix with venom blade and 9 wyches with haywire grenades (135 points)
- raider with flickerfield and dark lance (70 points)

- hekatrix with venom blade and 9 wyches with haywire grenades (135 points)
- raider with flickerfield and dark lance (70 points)

- sybarite and 9 warriors (100 points)
- raider with flickerfield, splinter racks and dark lance (80 points)

- sybarite and 9 warriors (100 points)
- raider with flickerfield, splinter racks and dark lance (80 points)

FAST ATTACK (235 points)

- arena champion with venom blade and 9 reavers (235 points)

HEAVY SUPPORT (230 points)

- ravager with flickerfield and 3 dark lances (115 points)
- ravager with flickerfield and 3 dark lances (115 points)

TACTICS

Like I said before, I want fast masses of troops and a symmetry of sorts. To accomplish that, I have had to make sacrifices all across the list, for instance to incorporate a haemonculus two squads of reavers have merged into one by lack of 15 points, and not even grav talons are within point reach... Never saw so few special weapons in a list either. Still, this IS 45 mounted models, the most I have managed to wring out of it and still incorporate that haemonculus conversion I am planning.

Is it the best possible build for me? I don't know. Only thing I know is that I want a clear goal to strive for, rich in story but also reasonably competitive, and thus, what I built on paper is now up for scutiny. Please consider that, as I said, this is a limited project for me (1500 points and full stop, as I am closing up all of my 4 GW armies in a way I like them, painting them up and selling the rest.), and all aspects of this army should be present in a lower point build too.

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PostSubject: Re: Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list   Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 05 2012, 17:43

You can lose all 6 Flickerfields and save yourself 60pts. The only things worth taking Flickerfields on now are Flyers, because all of our skimmers now get a 5+ save for moving any distance (literally, you could poke the base and get the save) due to the 'Jink' rule.

The Vexator Mask does the same thing as Hive Tyrant Indescribable Horror and Sanguinary Guard Death-Masks. No-one takes them. This is because there's such a puny chance of them actually working. Sure it's great when it does, but those occasions will be very rare, so those points are much better spent elsewhere.

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PostSubject: Re: Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list   Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 05 2012, 18:58

Anggul wrote:
You can lose all 6 Flickerfields and save yourself 60pts. The only things worth taking Flickerfields on now are Flyers, because all of our skimmers now get a 5+ save for moving any distance (literally, you could poke the base and get the save) due to the 'Jink' rule.

The Vexator Mask does the same thing as Hive Tyrant Indescribable Horror and Sanguinary Guard Death-Masks. No-one takes them. This is because there's such a puny chance of them actually working. Sure it's great when it does, but those occasions will be very rare, so those points are much better spent elsewhere.

Would you prefer night shields then?

I'll see about losing the mask, as I desperately want to cut that reaver squad in half and add an arena champion with venom blade to the second one... Especially since I want those squads charging in before the wyches do, to compensate overwatch.

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PostSubject: Re: Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list   Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 05 2012, 19:13

need i remind you, that he haem with 3 arcane wargear is illegal, for it can only take 2, so you can lose the mask for the sake of plyaing by the rules Wink

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Enfernux wrote:
need i remind you, that he haem with 3 arcane wargear is illegal, for it can only take 2, so you can lose the mask for the sake of plyaing by the rules Wink

Aaarghhh...

Never mind I have figured it out:

- for the 1500 list stinger pistol, animus vitae and venom blade, at 65 points
- for the 1000 list venom blade and dark gate as a trump card, at 80 points

I can use the same model for both, as both animus vitae and dark gate can be constructed within a staff.

I think I will look somewhere across these lines: http://inq28.blogspot.be/2011/09/ode-to-jrn.html

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PostSubject: Re: Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list   Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 05 2012, 19:23

to tired, cant remember if you can use blast template weapons in OW??? Something tells me you cant, but if you can, than a one shot nuke XD

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Enfernux wrote:
to tired, cant remember if you can use blast template weapons in OW??? Something tells me you cant, but if you can, than a one shot nuke XD

Eh what's OW?

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PostSubject: Re: Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list   Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 05 2012, 19:28

OverWatch XD sorry, because of my job, i got used to shortening things down, that are used a lot ^^

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Enfernux wrote:
OverWatch XD sorry, because of my job, i got used to shortening things down, that are used a lot ^^

At least the basic flamer can, but a dark gate is not a template weapon but a large blast...

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yes, as i said, blast template XD im still used to the old wordings, sue me pirat
and my query still hasnt been answered: can you or can you not shoot blast template weapons in overwatch. If i remember right, you cant, but to tired to look it up in RB

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Enfernux wrote:
yes, as i said, blast template XD im still used to the old wordings, sue me pirat
and my query still hasnt been answered: can you or can you not shoot blast template weapons in overwatch. If i remember right, you cant, but to tired to look it up in RB

I seem to remember you can't, but surely others can answer that question.

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PostSubject: Re: Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list   Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 05 2012, 20:44

That's a no, no blast marker based weapons in overwatch Sad . Pg 21 6th edition rule book states "weapons and models that cannot fire snap shots cannot fire overwatch." and Pg 13 under snap shots says "weapon types...such as blast, cannot fire snap shots."

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Zahaladune wrote:
That's a no, no blast marker based weapons in overwatch Sad . Pg 21 6th edition rule book states "weapons and models that cannot fire snap shots cannot fire overwatch." and Pg 13 under snap shots says "weapon types...such as blast, cannot fire snap shots."

Be happy - or there would be more threats against us charging into combat...

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PostSubject: Re: Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list   Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 05 2012, 21:03

Chaeril wrote:
Would you prefer night shields then?

I would take Night Shields on the Warrior Raiders yes, as they'll be doing rapid-fire manoeuvring and trying to keep out of too much trouble until they can safely swoop in and mow down the rest of the threat with a rapid-fire splinterstorm (C).

As for the other 40pts and the 10pts saved by dropping the mask which as it has been mentioned you can't have due to the limit of 2, yeah you could split the Reavers and have a Venom Blade Champion.


Also, I wouldn't take a splinter pistol, 5pts for more chance to wound on probably only one or two shots in the whole game isn't really worth it. You would be much better off paying 5pts more and getting yourself a Liquifier Gun.

As for the combat weapon, you either want the Animus Vitae or the Venom Blade. For the Animus to work you have to actually kill something with it, it's actually a weapon, so you can't kill something with a Venom Blade and get a Pain Token just by carrying the Animus with you.


So to recap: Lose the Flickerfields, give the Warrior Night Shields (if you want, might not be how you play them), swap that stinger pistol for a Liquifier Gun (or even a Shattershard if you want something extra-nasty) and choose between Animus Vitae or Venom Blade. Then split your Reavers like you wanted to. Any points left after that and we'll see then. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list   Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 05 2012, 21:07

well, in my experimental list, i took animus, because most of my opponents are t3 - guard, tau, cwe - and i can wound them very easily, taking the chalange with anything but him and noming on the squad instead ^^

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Enfernux wrote:
well, in my experimental list, i took animus, because most of my opponents are t3 - guard, tau, cwe - and i can wound them very easily, taking the chalange with anything but him and noming on the squad instead ^^

Oh yeah I think they're actually quite a nice weapon, I was just saying you should either take one or the other, you're going to want to take the Animus to try for a Pain Token or the Venom Blade for simple killy-ness, there isn't much call to take both.

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PostSubject: Re: Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list   Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 05 2012, 21:14

OK I follow.

But let's recap, you're actually saying 'no flickerfield' on any of the raiders/ravagers? It goes against the grain of anything I've read here these months. I've kinda taken it for granted up until this point.

Can others concur or contradict please? 50 points saved however would mean two more reavers... Or step up the Haemonculus to become an ancient, makes a lot more sense with her taking that animus vitae, as it could kill more reliantly.

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Chaeril wrote:
OK I follow.

But let's recap, you're actually saying 'no flickerfield' on any of the raiders/ravagers? It goes against the grain of anything I've read here these months. I've kinda taken it for granted up until this point.

Can others concur or contradict please? 50 points saved however would mean two more reavers... Or step up the Haemonculus to become an ancient, makes a lot more sense with her taking that animus vitae, as it could kill more reliantly.

Before, yes, they were pretty much always taken. However as I said in my first post, all skimmers now get a 5+ save just for moving, thus rendering paying 10pts for a 5+ save rather pointless except for Flyers who have to evade for said save, which makes them snap-fire.

This is one very nice thing 6th ed did for us. Also you have 6 sky-boats, so you would be saving 60pts, although as I said I would then give the Warriors Night Shields, but that's my personal view.

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PostSubject: Re: Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list   Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 05 2012, 21:30

And what about the ravagers? Night shields for them too? Or save 20 points?

Can others concur?

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I guess if you see a lot of plasma guns and psycannons running around they're probably worth it to give you a bit more elbow room.

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PostSubject: Re: Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list   Target 1500 pts 'Void Scorpion' fluff list I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 05 2012, 21:39

Are you sure those saves don't exist next to each other? Else, why would a Venom have a flickerfield standard? Perhaps I'd like 2 5+ saves after each other?

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Because Jink saves are new to 6th ed. We had Flickerfields because Jink didn't exist in 5th ed. It's a new ruleset.

So yes, we're now basically paying an extra 10pts on our Venoms for an upgrade we don't need.

It was rather silly forcing us to have the upgrade in the first place. I mean sure we always would have taken it, but now we're being cheated out of 10pts every time.

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It was rather silly forcing us to have the upgrade in the first place. I mean sure we always would have taken it, but now we're being cheated out of 10pts every time.

Good way to make me feel bad about taking venoms in general. I am sorry if I am such a neurotic on this point... Rolling Eyes

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Haha, not at all, everyone needs to have some things explained. ^^


Don't get me wrong, Venoms are still great, it's just they're missing out on the buff that Jink gave us because they already have a Flickerfield.

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Vindicar assassin's ammo can ignore and for the rest of the game, remove your invul save Wink its good you can only take 1 assassin type, so max 3 different per FO. A dual could have 6 assassins, but then still, 2 of each...or 6 deathcult non bodyguard, or a full retuine of them for inquisitors from ordo hereticus...

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