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Elazar The Glorified wrote:
I think we need only look at the Haemonculus Covens book to see they're not as evil as we all like to make GW out to be. A lot of affordable useful formations in there thay can be used alongside or instead of the unique FOC. With not very many unit types I imagine there will be quite a few flavourful formations to fill some space and create unique ways of running the Troupes much like Scalpel Squadron and Dark Artisan do for the Covens

Dont hold your breathe i was stoked till i saw the force org, its all or nothing with the harlequins and i despise that.

i Hate the force org geedubs are jerks -edited for not being a rant
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I refuse to believe that you have to Apply a minimum of 500 points of clowns to any list in ordre to use Them. That is simply too stupid.
In eldar and Deldar codexes they were a seperat entry and you could use 5 clowns for flair/fluff or whatever.
It removes from Their illusiveness if they Can only assemble in such Numbers now.
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The Masque is one force org from a White Dwarf issue. There has to be more in the Codex. They don't print everything in White Dwarf; if they did, no one would buy the whole Codexes.

Also, isn't it a bit stupid to give us enough elite slots to have Death Jesters AND Shadowseers for every Troupe when the Starweaver can only carry 6?


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You put the shadowseer in the weaverborne unit and let the death jester camp.

I'm starting to like the prism, the blast and large blasts ain't that bad, and it can shoot down flyers.
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Vael Galizur wrote:
Also, isn't it a bit stupid to give us enough elite slots to have Death Jesters AND Shadowseers for every Troupe when the Starweaver can only carry 6?
Not quite as stupid as Venoms having a capacity of 5, preventing any ICs from joining units in them. It seems obvious that the Starweaver's capacity is based on the Troupe box containing 6 models.
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Jehoel wrote:
I refuse to believe that you have to Apply a minimum of 500 points of clowns to any list in ordre to use Them. That is simply too stupid.
In eldar and Deldar codexes they were a seperat entry and you could use 5 clowns for flair/fluff or whatever.
It removes from Their illusiveness if they Can only assemble in such Numbers now.

They used to be fielded as an army so it's not really a break from fluff. They were just catching up on their reading the black library for a decade or so.


Also its seems very reactionary to assume that the org chart in the white dwarf is the only one they will have. I would chill and wait for the codex, or new information.
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Erebus wrote:
Not quite as stupid as Venoms having a capacity of 5, preventing any ICs from joining units in them. It seems obvious that the Starweaver's capacity is based on the Troupe box containing 6 models.

Somehow, I didn't notice that the Troupe box has six models. The unit composition says 4 Players plus one Troupe Master, so I thought it had 5, which meant the Starweaver could carry the whole Troupe plus one IC. This is getting more and more confusing. lol

Why can't it be like the Wave Serpent that can carry 5 Wraithguard AND a spiritseer?
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Vael Galizur wrote:
Erebus wrote:
Not quite as stupid as Venoms having a capacity of 5, preventing any ICs from joining units in them. It seems obvious that the Starweaver's capacity is based on the Troupe box containing 6 models.

Somehow, I didn't notice that the Troupe box has six models. The unit composition says 4 Players plus one Troupe Master, so I thought it had 5, which meant the Starweaver could carry the whole Troupe plus one IC. This is getting more and more confusing. lol

Why can't it be like the Wave Serpent that can carry 5 Wraithguard AND TWO spiritseer?
its more op than that Razz
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Vael Galizur wrote:
Somehow, I didn't notice that the Troupe box has six models. The unit composition says 4 Players plus one Troupe Master, so I thought it had 5, which meant the Starweaver could carry the whole Troupe plus one IC. This is getting more and more confusing. lol
Well, the Starweaver can still carry a min-sized Troupe and an IC. GW just decided to be uncharacteristically magnanimous and include an extra model for the Troupe.
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Man, dyscalculia sucks. I had my numbers ALL screwed up. LOL

I thought that the Wave Serpent could carry 10 and that the Spiritseer was a special addition if it was carrying Wraithguard. But then, I can never remember what day Christmas is, so perhaps this shouldn't be surprising to me.

And, "uncharacteristically magnanimous", YES.
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The issue is there are no HQ's allying them in outside of that force org is impossible other than formations that will come in the book

Hell assuming you want to run them as yourmain army HOLY CRAP THE MONEY/point investment your only options are the elites, even the option only exists so you dont have to buy the seer and jester which you are going to do because these are harlequins
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I was surprised to see that GW is handing out the rules in the WD and printing a codex. I think they're trying to see whether what Corvus Belli has accomplished, namely give the rules for free but still sell a lot of books, will work for them as well..

I was a bit disappointed to see the capacity is only six, you won't be able to field the minimum sized unit along with a Jester and a Seer, or one of those elites and an independent character. I hope they have something else going for them, because I am not exactly sure why (at this point without all the rules spoilt, I know) you wouldn't just put your harleys in a Raider. (I like the idea of a Harley unit with a Seer, Jester and a Succubus or Archon in it).
How do you guys feel about the Seer becoming a genuine grown-up psyker?


I hope there are more formations in the codex than we have seen at this point. It would be kind of strange if every list without the Masques formation will be unbound.

By the way, does anyone know whether the Solitaire has an availability of 0-1? The White Dwarf doesn't state anything about this if I'm not mistaken. Would be interesting to be able to field more than one.
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As another possibility- That force org chart may be for a White Dwarf mission. We really just don't know for certain. I'm definitely intrigued by harlequins as a full army.
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Jehoel wrote:
Sounds Strange that this is the only Way to field Them. Perhaps the codex Will give other options for including them.
I would really like the opportunity just to take a solitaire and nothing further for instance...

well when you think about it, it really isn't all that much. I mean most of your army will probably be characters rather than units, much like the 89' harlequin army list. The codex will probably have more formations and maybe even an HQ to use.... personally i almost always go unbound, so it's not really an issue. Its a fun, awesome fluffy army that is probably best played in that way. I'm really looking forward to some crazy narrative scenarios with the harllies if you ask me.

Not to mention, 40k is on the verge of the end times, so it would make sense for the harlequins to start forming bigger masques, much like how everyone else is going gung-ho.
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One example of a way to use the masque formation with dark eldar will be like this:

2 squads of 5 harlequins (they go in the star weavers)
1 squad of 8 plus an archon/succubus with a raider
2 star weaver as fast attack
1 void weaver
2 warrior squads of 5 with a blaster in dual SC venom

Add shadowseers, death jesters, and dark eldar to suit your needs/points. Death jesters don't really do well in troupes anyway so the extra spot is for shadowseers (depending on their value), or could be extra harlequins.

I really doubt that the masque is the only way to field them based off of the last few releases.
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im thinking solitair would be nice distraction, most would give him a little focused fire so your venoms get less auto cannons maybe Razz
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Other tidbits - interestingly, the Troupe Master edition comes with datacards as part of the package. I don't remember any of the other collector's editions getting the same treatment.
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The fluff is confusing...Harlies seldom found in more than a troupe...but you can have an army?

Will there be rules for mimes? (the stealth troops)
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I really hope GW isn't so silly that they'll make the only way for quins to be played be:
3 troops
2 squads bikes (Let's atleast hope we can take the DT as FA)
1 voidweaver squad
0-7 elites

Because forcing people to buy that many (Still rulewise not that great) boxes is gonna crush sales

Sidenote:
Anyone else noted that in the WD leaks it said you can fill the elite slots in the detachment with shadowseers, death jesters and solitaireS.... Silly GW.

Also, the special limited "Sell your soul and a kidney to GW" edition contains Phantasmancy (Hurrah shadowseers become real psykers), telepathy and Sanctic daemonology. Potential same rule as GK considering perils while using daemonology?
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Anterzhul wrote:
(Let's atleast hope we can take the DT as FA)
The Starweaver has the FA symbol, so we can.
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There will be formations in the book so I am not that worried. It would be nice to have a way to take them just as allies. I fallow ITC rules, and am not a huge fan of double force org
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yeah i hope there is a way to pick solitaire (he is just 2fab2be left out Razz), tho the kit needs some feemale conversion, im thinking on geting it a banshee torso or a wych one and cutting up to fit the legs, any other ideas?
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Or you could just use one of the two female torsos in the troupe
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