Harlequins release in early 2015? - February 3, Skyweaver jetbike rules leaked

Freaking awesome - star weaver have holofields base AND invul thingy. 3+ jink im looking at you.

6 transport capacity.
2 Shuriken Cannons.

70 points.

Thats very good and cheap.

Edit
Oh noes, those holofields are just plain 5++. Still decent.

Voidweaver rules are...strange! Why would you split one Shuriken Cannon to fire at a different target but fire a Haywire Cannon at the same target? I wish GW would think these things through. Or just think...

Oh, and Harlequin Holo-fields are different to Eldar holo-fields. Think of a new name ffs!!

I don't like the Voidweaver. 240 points for a squadron of three, with 3 S7 lances and 18 S6 shots is fine, but not so much when half has to shoot backwards. This means they'll have to push in between enemies, and we all know what happens to Venoms when we try that move...
I'm really fond of the Starweaver on the other hand. Being able to add an IC to a unit of five is huge, imo.

Count Adhemar wrote:

Oh, and Harlequin Holo-fields are different to Eldar holo-fields. Think of a new name ffs!!

That would be kinda silly if they plan on changing the rules for the eldar Holo-fields, though

Starweaver seems to be a fine transport option with the ability to hurt mid armour value tanks like rhinos, but is is more expensieve than venom. I could not decide if it is tournament worthy or not.

Edit:Voidweaver seems to be crap...

Razorfate wrote:

Starweaver seems to be a fine transport option with the ability to hurt mid armour value tanks like rhinos, but is is more expensieve than venom. I could not decide if it is tournament worthy or not.

Edit:Voidweaver seems to be crap...

venom is 65 points weaver is 70 for +1 transport capacity aint that bad with same 5++

urden93 wrote:

Razorfate wrote:

Starweaver seems to be a fine transport option with the ability to hurt mid armour value tanks like rhinos, but is is more expensieve than venom. I could not decide if it is tournament worthy or not.

Edit:Voidweaver seems to be crap...

venom is 65 points weaver is 70 for +1 transport capacity aint that bad with same 5++

Not entirely same. No 5++ if immobilized for Starweavers.

I'd think the rear facing gun could shoot the same target as the front 2 if the vehicle turns sideways. Unless... I think the front facing Shuriken Cannon is underslung and probably can't be rotated. So maybe not.

I wonder what explanation they have for such a funky weapon setup. There has to be some reasoning behind it. Maybe they have devised some crazy tactic. Might be cool. It's certainly unique. lol

Vasara wrote:

urden93 wrote:

Razorfate wrote:

Starweaver seems to be a fine transport option with the ability to hurt mid armour value tanks like rhinos, but is is more expensieve than venom. I could not decide if it is tournament worthy or not.

Edit:Voidweaver seems to be crap...

venom is 65 points weaver is 70 for +1 transport capacity aint that bad with same 5++

Not entirely same. No 5++ if immobilized for Starweavers.

Hush now, before they FAQ the Flickerfield as well.

They look good. Bummer about the holofields working like flickerfields. You think they'd at least call them "domino fields" or something. I know there is a lot of "ignore cover" out there but I'm glad to see Veil of Tears reverting back to the old FAQ version of Stealth and Shrouded I find that more useful in my meta. Question for you guys.... could the Shadowseer cast Veil of Tears on his transport while embarked? I should know this but I've not run a psyker in like 2 years.

atm in 7th psikers can only cast witchfires out of transports if it has fire point, no blessings no hexes, oooor i screwed myself several times

Evil Space Elves wrote:

Erebus wrote:

Harlequin Masque force org

Interesting force org chart. No HQ's? LOTS of Elites. Aside from the Solitaire we haven't seen a unit that is in the Elite slot. Probably Death Jesters with the one Heavy slot being taken by the Voidweaver.

Please don't let them make a crappy Bloodbride option out of a normal Harlequin squad as an elite choice

They have shadowseers, death jesters, and the solitaire as elites. The org is designed so you can take a death jester and a shadowseer for each troupe plus a solitaire.

I am not totally sold on the voidweaver.

A part of my fluff heart is actually against Felding harlequins in great Numbers. These guys are a rare treat, an Enigma that are as much myth as they are Real. To suddently have dozens of Them on the field is like finding a secret valley with dinosaurs. It takes some of the magic away. I dont know how Else to explain it.
I Think i Will acquire two troupes with jester and seer, a couplle of jetbikes and a single transport. That makes about 20 clowns. Even in the fluff that is considered a huge Number gathered at the same time

in our current dex arent there harlequins "loyal" to Malys? maybe we can see her in the fluff of the harli dex

Behold! I`ve got a question!

If Harlie`s doesn`t have HQ slot, we can`t take them as ally detachment? Right?
So, we can take them only as a main detachment and then apply some allies. Or maybe we just should wait for more intel on them...

So far, with no HQ, the harlequin masque Force is the ONLY way to field Harlequins. No CAD, no Ally. It doesn't have to be your main detachment, though.

since that is the harlequin detachment that means you can take allies with them, You use that instead of the allies chart, just like if you allied with Haemonculi for instance.

Allied Detachment = 1 HQ and 1 Troops minimum. Not possible with Harlequins

Edit: So to include harlequins in your army you're looking at minimum 500 points for a bareboned squad (3 Troupes, 2 Starweavers, 1 Voidweaver).

Sounds Strange that this is the only Way to field Them. Perhaps the codex Will give other options for including them.
I would really like the opportunity just to take a solitaire and nothing further for instance...

Well.... there is always Unbound

An allied force does not have to be an allied detachment. You can have any number of detachments in your force. Allied detachment is just one kind of detachment. For example, i take an eldar combined arms detachment and dark eldar combined arms detachment. I take my warlord from the dark eldar combined arms detachment so that makes it primary detachment and the eldar combined arms detachment does automatically become allied force (but not allied detachment.)

Yep - the allied detachment is completely different to using 2 codex as allies

That whole detachment formation lord of war warlord thing drives me nuts

I'm waiting to see what formations they get. Would be shocked if there's not a smaller formation that'll be better suited to attaching them as allies to an Eldar or Dark Eldar force. Probably something that matches how the squads used to be picked in the Deldar Codex. GW won't want to miss out on sales to those of us that would buy one Troupe but not 3 plus assorted other bits our own codex does a bit better

Elazar The Glorified wrote:

I'm waiting to see what formations they get. Would be shocked if there's not a smaller formation that'll be better suited to attaching them as allies to an Eldar or Dark Eldar force. Probably something that matches how the squads used to be picked in the Deldar Codex. GW won't want to miss out on sales to those of us that would buy one Troupe but not 3 plus assorted other bits our own codex does a bit better

.

I`m afraid it could be something like that...
"Let`s do a Harlie codex just to make some sales. Don`t get bothered how they will field them. Just new models, rules and nothing more"
"True story bro! If they want to field Harlequins, they must buy whole circus!"
"Yeah!"
"Agreed!"

Or it`s just my bad imagination

I think we need only look at the Haemonculus Covens book to see they're not as evil as we all like to make GW out to be. A lot of affordable useful formations in there thay can be used alongside or instead of the unique FOC. With not very many unit types I imagine there will be quite a few flavourful formations to fill some space and create unique ways of running the Troupes much like Scalpel Squadron and Dark Artisan do for the Covens