Eldar Triumvirate

Well anything Hit and Run suddenly seems utterly broken right now. :-D

EDIT: I have reread the rule and it does not. Pardon my outburst. :-)

I see lots of potential for good deathstars, I agree. We'll have to wait and see what rules we get. The Yncarne might be an MC that is tough to keep alive due to being difficult to hide and unable to join other units.

I'm personally excited by what I've seen so far. I put my preorder in for the models and book yesterday.

I do dearly hope that our poison is effective against this abomination of a deathstar base because I guarantee you this will be the next Magnus. We will these SOBs in every Eldar list until we learn to hate the models.

TeenageAngst wrote:

I do dearly hope that our poison is effective against this abomination of a deathstar base because I guarantee you this will be the next Magnus. We will these SOBs in every Eldar list until we learn to hate the models.

You're talking like "we" aren't going to be playing them. I imagine this to be inaccurate. Perhaps not YOU, but a great number of people on this site will certainly play them.

Alright, I hope *my* poison is good against them because lord knows *I* will be sick of playing against them just like I'm already sick of seeing a Magnus in almost every Chaos list. Nothing ruins playing for fun like fighting the same damn super-unit over and over again.

You've already decided against playing the models, and you don't even know for sure whether you can field them with only DE stuff. That's pretty pessimistic.

Seconded.

BetrayTheWorld wrote:

You've already decided against playing the models, and you don't even know for sure whether you can field them with only DE stuff. That's pretty pessimistic.

Yeah sorry for having a differing opinion yo I forgot we're supposed to be a hivemind here.

They don't seem to fit the ａｅｓｔｈｅｔｉｃ of my Dark Eldar army. A solid half of my models are from 3rd edition because my Kabal is basically a rag-tag group that got started on old equipment and begged, borrowed, or stole their newer stuff. All my newer models are painted to look Nerf-gun 80s hair metal ridiculous. Using these gorgeous AutoCAD super-models next to a 3rd edition Scourge squad would look awful. So from a modeling standpoint I'd probably only run them if I was bringing my clowns, but my clowns are a vanity army, so if I get these models they'd likely be vanity models. They're nice models though so I'll probably pick them up.

From a gameplay standpoint, even if I can bring only DE units, using Dark Eldar models in a non-Dark Eldar faction means they ain't Dark Eldar no more, even if the book still calls them Wyches and Incubi. I already said, if I wanted that, I'd run my army as Corsairs. At least that way I can bring Hornets. Now if I could bring these new guys AND they get their special bonuses without me having to run my army as Ynnadi, then we might be talking turkey, but even that kinda rubs me the wrong way. Dark Eldar should worship themselves, not gods, and the only time they work with Craftworlders is when they have them over a barrel. So for fluffy and even casual games they're out. Now for competitive games pfft whatever yeah I'll run them sure why not. 3 color minimum, fistfuls of scatbikes, Reavers, a ghetto seerstar, a Wraithknight, and some wyches for extra wounds, and a bottle of Jack to keep my head in the game.

If you aren't playing with 5th edition bits I don't care about your aesthetic.

aurynn wrote:

Imateria wrote:

where the only units we know they can't take are Covens.

Are you sure? The leaked rule "Misssion of Murder" says that Haemonculus Coven player can reroll failed charge rolls. However its unclear who has this rule or any other details.

Very sure, Phil Kelly has been explicit in this in interviews.

TeenageAngst wrote:

BetrayTheWorld wrote:

You've already decided against playing the models, and you don't even know for sure whether you can field them with only DE stuff. That's pretty pessimistic.

Yeah sorry for having a differing opinion yo I forgot we're supposed to be a hivemind here.

They don't seem to fit the ａｅｓｔｈｅｔｉｃ of my Dark Eldar army. A solid half of my models are from 3rd edition because my Kabal is basically a rag-tag group that got started on old equipment and begged, borrowed, or stole their newer stuff. All my newer models are painted to look Nerf-gun 80s hair metal ridiculous. Using these gorgeous AutoCAD super-models next to a 3rd edition Scourge squad would look awful. So from a modeling standpoint I'd probably only run them if I was bringing my clowns, but my clowns are a vanity army, so if I get these models they'd likely be vanity models. They're nice models though so I'll probably pick them up.

From a gameplay standpoint, even if I can bring only DE units, using Dark Eldar models in a non-Dark Eldar faction means they ain't Dark Eldar no more, even if the book still calls them Wyches and Incubi. I already said, if I wanted that, I'd run my army as Corsairs. At least that way I can bring Hornets. Now if I could bring these new guys AND they get their special bonuses without me having to run my army as Ynnadi, then we might be talking turkey, but even that kinda rubs me the wrong way. Dark Eldar should worship themselves, not gods, and the only time they work with Craftworlders is when they have them over a barrel. So for fluffy and even casual games they're out. Now for competitive games pfft whatever yeah I'll run them sure why not. 3 color minimum, fistfuls of scatbikes, Reavers, a ghetto seerstar, a Wraithknight, and some wyches for extra wounds, and a bottle of Jack to keep my head in the game.

Wow, thats incredibly specific and completely useless reasoning to the rest of us.

I've allready ordered them. Not sure I'll use them as these specific characters. (we seldom use characters in my gaming group).

But they can be used as Archons, Heirachs or the standard avatar in an Eldar army.

Anyone else going to paint the faces on Visarch's armor like harlequin masks?

I wish I got an upgrade sprue to make my Warriors look more like harlequins and Craftworld units?

@TeenageAngst I think people getting sick of seeing the Space Elf Three live and in concert is a very real possibility. I don't have a lot of players in my meta who play Eldar or DE, so I'll probably be on the giving end of that particular a-holery, but I anticipate people getting sick of them in short order.

They don't look unbeatable but their rules look annoying to deal with without specialized equipment, and anything with annoying rules wears on the fun of the game.

Well yes, here we have an already tough army (Eldar), mixed with their cousins and some new rules to make them stronger than they were before. Of course that could be annoying for other players.
To be honest, there are so few DE players left, no one cares that we got sucked into this meta-aos-like-faction. Before the FAQ Draft went live, we were just a taxi for Eldar in competetive games.

I am split what to think of this. On the first take i lake that the fluff continues, that we got some new rules. On the other side i would be more happy if there would be more "pure DE" Fluff, and not this "lets just stick them together with Eldar, so no one thinks they are forgotten".

But since i didn´t read the book yet, just like everyone else hasn´t, i have to wait and see.

That said, i can understand every argument in this thread, but that is not a reason to be completely pessimistic

I'm with teenage angst in that I don't plan on using them. I'm sticking to my kabal/coven fluff.

That doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't use them. But we know they are part of a fluff that involves an alliance with the other eldar (aeldari?) that just doesn't fit some of our own personal fluff

I definitely will. The narrative I created for my army from the get-go was a twisted alliance in the service of Ynnead. So this was like a fluffy godsend for me.

http://www.thedarkcity.net/t12984-what-s-your-story

I will definitely embrace the God of death if it means another variation to my True Kin. Playing since 3rd edition makes games stagnant, but spicing it up with some laughs and a God sound like good ideas.

Jimsolo wrote:

I definitely will. The narrative I created for my army from the get-go was a twisted alliance in the service of Ynnead. So this was like a fluffy godsend for me.

http://www.thedarkcity.net/t12984-what-s-your-story

Gave it a quick scan, I like your spin on Urien

As I've said before I play Eldar, so I will continue to play Craftworld, Harlequin, Corsair and Dark Eldar and now I'll add Ynnari to that as well. I just hope that one day we really will get Exodites.

I'm thinking that even if your army doesn't like the idea of Ynnead or the Ynnari it's still an opportunity to make some cool fluff with their interactions.

My Craftworlders have been spending centuries building up to the birth of Ynnead. However, when it actually comes to pass they're horrified by what the Ynnari have become. Eldar that drink the souls of their compatriots, expending their energy to accomplish unnatural feats on the battlefield? That's an abomination to Craftworlder and True Kin alike.

If they actually come out with some dedicated Ynnari models aside from characters (which I hope they do!), I'll write in a little bit about the Craftworld putting on a front of friendliness and alliance with the Ynnari, while every step of the way making sure their craftworld avoids the same fate as Biel-Tan.

Yay realpolitik!

Also, didn't know about that 'what's your story' post. Shall have a read and add mine

Oh, last thing, I'm really hoping that it was the Ynnari who intentionally fractured Biel-Tan. Makes them seem more like radicals and religious fanatics, which I feel would jibe really well with making the Eldar in general seem more fractured than ever

Imateria wrote:

As I've said before I play Eldar, so I will continue to play Craftworld, Harlequin, Corsair and Dark Eldar and now I'll add Ynnari to that as well. I just hope that one day we really will get Exodites.

I'm in two minds about exodites. On the one hand it would be awesome to see their fluff expanded and get some dedicated models. On the other hand, I've just spent donkeys years soming up with my own models and fluff!

I suppose I should just suck it up, realise I'm not a special snowflake and let the world at large experience how damn cool exodites are rather than just me

Jimsolo wrote:

I definitely will. The narrative I created for my army from the get-go was a twisted alliance in the service of Ynnead. So this was like a fluffy godsend for me.

http://www.thedarkcity.net/t12984-what-s-your-story

Oh yes, the narrative behind the heroes and the army is fitting like a glove for me as well. I mean, we have a female leader, a former wych that arose to power after perishing in a clash of Commorragh politics and now has the persona of the prophet of Ynnead, using it to rally both Commorites and Craftworlders behind her cause, a silent, mysterious guardian that has been keeping an eye on the lady for quite a while and is hinted to have some time as an Incubus in the past. All they lack is a friendly rogue haemonculus pulling the strings behind the scenes and making it all possible, and I would have to knock on Phil Kelly's door and politely ask him to get out of my head.

Of course, these are not uncommon archetypes in fiction, I have hardly created anything unique, but it's a rare and joyous occasion when a supplement comes out that feels like it's written -exactly- for you. Can't wait for the book and models to be delivered.