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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 13:26

Not with the general inference that those are "godly stats" lol

Though you'd expect an invuln...

Oh I forgot my sword and board wraithknight. Now with built in 4+ fnp lol
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 14:20

The Red King wrote:
Wait... are we sure you can charge into another combat after killing the unit you were in combat with?

That's game changing, no more building to not win too hard.  7 incubi can finally kill things again. And they have 4+ fnp near the Yncarne.

Does the Yncarne grant them 4+ fnp, or does it improve pre-existing fnp? Remember, the Incubi won't have Power from Pain, so they need to get fnp from another source.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 14:23

The Yncarne grants it. The formation improves it.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 15:05

Draco wrote:
Potential Special Character stats: 275pts WS9 BS7 S6 T6 W5 I10 A6 LD10 3+ (Is this OK to post?)

Fixed* I think.

I assume that's the Yncarne?
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 15:22

Count Adhemar wrote:
Draco wrote:
Potential Special Character stats: 275pts WS9 BS7 S6 T6 W5 I10 A6 LD10 3+ (Is this OK to post?)

Fixed* I think.

I assume that's the Yncarne?

Mr/Mrs. Swirly Death God? Yes.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 15:24

Could be worse. If the 3+ is invulnerable it's actually pretty decent, especially as he/she can recover wounds pretty much at will.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 15:49

Since Yncarne teleports near a destroyed unit, does it trigger his soulburts?
Is it does can he charge?
If he can should we be ashamed of ourselves?
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 15:50

Logan Frost wrote:
Since Yncarne teleports near a destroyed unit, does it trigger his soulburts?
Is it does can he charge?
If he can should we be ashamed of ourselves?

It's said Yncarne can't assault the turn it teleports.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 15:58

@Draco, you are right, for some reason I thought Soulburst could overwrite that since it is an out of turn action, but the wording is quite clear.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:03

The thing is, if you teleport on the enemy turn, which you seem to be able to do, you can still assault in your turn.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:11

WS9, I10, A6 with an AP2, Fleshbane, Armourbane, Soulblaze sword. For 275pts!
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:11

Which is good.
You could feed the enemy a min unit in T1, and assault T2 with a monster.
I like Yncarne very much.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:12

I was thinking about the Power from Death Special Rule.  So it says any unit that dies within 7 inches 1 unit can choose to Shoot, Assault, or Charge.  
SO If a unit of Incubi wipe a unit of Marines in the Assault phase.   Would they be able to charge another unit, using the Power from Death Special rule.


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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:15

mrmagoo wrote:
I also thought about the Power from Death Special Rule.  So it says any unit that dies within 7 inches 1 unit can choose to Shoot, Assault, or Charge.  
SO If a unit of Incubi wipe a unit of Marines in the Assault phase.   Would they be able to charge another unit, using the Power from Death Special rule.

I believe that's exactly how it works. Then you wipe the next squad, causing the unit of reavers next to the Incubi to assault the next target.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:18

Draco wrote:
mrmagoo wrote:
I also thought about the Power from Death Special Rule.  So it says any unit that dies within 7 inches 1 unit can choose to Shoot, Assault, or Charge.  
SO If a unit of Incubi wipe a unit of Marines in the Assault phase.   Would they be able to charge another unit, using the Power from Death Special rule.

I believe that's exactly how it works. Then you wipe the next squad, causing the unit of reavers next to the Incubi to assault the next target.

Problem there is that they get to charge in the Fight sub-phase at the end of the current initiative step so they wouldn't get to attack again until next turn.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:18

Why isn't it Satutday yet?
Smile

Only 275 for Yncarne is she a monsterous creature?
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:20

mrmagoo wrote:
Why isn't it Satutday yet?
Smile

Only 275 for Yncarne is she a monsterous creature?

I would guess so, cos if she can join another unit as an IC people will be screaming CHEEEEEESSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE!!! for the next year.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:22

Count Adhemar wrote:
Draco wrote:
mrmagoo wrote:
I also thought about the Power from Death Special Rule.  So it says any unit that dies within 7 inches 1 unit can choose to Shoot, Assault, or Charge.  
SO If a unit of Incubi wipe a unit of Marines in the Assault phase.   Would they be able to charge another unit, using the Power from Death Special rule.

I believe that's exactly how it works. Then you wipe the next squad, causing the unit of reavers next to the Incubi to assault the next target.

Problem there is that they get to charge in the Fight sub-phase at the end of the current initiative step so they wouldn't get to attack again until next turn.

That is completely Fine! That means a squad of Wyches/Incubi isn't sitting in the open to get fired at. Plus they are keeping that unit from Firing in their turn. I would assume they would get overwatch but overwatch from 1 unit is still better then firing from that unit and 2-3 others.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:22

I'd say they can.
Same if a unit of reavers kill something with how.
Or if scourges kill a vehicle.
Or any unit actually.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:24

So another question, When does the "power from death" happen? So lets say a Marine Drop Pod army comes in and kills a unit. A dark Eldar Venom near by shoots at another 5 man squad that showed up and Wipes them out(yes unlikely) Would that 5 man unit that gets wiped get to shoot?

From what I am seeing no. But just making sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:25

mrmagoo wrote:
Count Adhemar wrote:
Draco wrote:
mrmagoo wrote:
I also thought about the Power from Death Special Rule.  So it says any unit that dies within 7 inches 1 unit can choose to Shoot, Assault, or Charge.  
SO If a unit of Incubi wipe a unit of Marines in the Assault phase.   Would they be able to charge another unit, using the Power from Death Special rule.

I believe that's exactly how it works. Then you wipe the next squad, causing the unit of reavers next to the Incubi to assault the next target.

Problem there is that they get to charge in the Fight sub-phase at the end of the current initiative step so they wouldn't get to attack again until next turn.

That is completely Fine!  That means a squad of Wyches/Incubi isn't sitting in the open to get fired at.  Plus they are keeping that unit from Firing in their turn.   I would assume they would get overwatch but overwatch from 1 unit is still better then firing from that unit and 2-3 others.

I agree. I was just pointing out that you couldn't 'chain' a series of assault in the way that Draco suggested.
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:27

Count Adhemar wrote:
mrmagoo wrote:
Count Adhemar wrote:
Draco wrote:
mrmagoo wrote:
I also thought about the Power from Death Special Rule.  So it says any unit that dies within 7 inches 1 unit can choose to Shoot, Assault, or Charge.  
SO If a unit of Incubi wipe a unit of Marines in the Assault phase.   Would they be able to charge another unit, using the Power from Death Special rule.

I believe that's exactly how it works. Then you wipe the next squad, causing the unit of reavers next to the Incubi to assault the next target.

Problem there is that they get to charge in the Fight sub-phase at the end of the current initiative step so they wouldn't get to attack again until next turn.

That is completely Fine!  That means a squad of Wyches/Incubi isn't sitting in the open to get fired at.  Plus they are keeping that unit from Firing in their turn.   I would assume they would get overwatch but overwatch from 1 unit is still better then firing from that unit and 2-3 others.

I agree. I was just pointing out that you couldn't 'chain' a series of assault in the way that Draco suggested.

Yes, agreed there, but what about shooting? You could potentially cause a chain in that respect correct?
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:28

mrmagoo wrote:
So another question,   When does the "power from death" happen?    So lets say a Marine Drop Pod army comes in and kills a unit.  A dark Eldar Venom near by shoots at another 5 man squad that showed up and Wipes them out(yes unlikely)  Would that 5 man unit that gets wiped get to shoot?  

From what I am seeing no. But just making sure.

It happens immediately. So Marines drop in and kill a unit - pick a unit within 7" to make a soulburst action. Venom shoots at another unit and wipes it out, pick another unit within 7" to make a soulburst action etc, etc.

Draco wrote:
Yes, agreed there, but what about shooting? You could potentially cause a chain in that respect correct?

Yes, that would seem to work
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Count Adhemar wrote:
mrmagoo wrote:
Why isn't it Satutday yet?
Smile

Only 275 for Yncarne is she a monsterous creature?

I would guess so, cos if she can join another unit as an IC people will be screaming CHEEEEEESSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE!!! for the next year.

And if she can't, she's actually not very good for her points, in my opinion. Significantly easier to kill than a wraithknight for the same amount of points.

Based on the size of her model, I couldn't see her being a GMC, so she probably takes full damage from poison weapons, scatter spam erases her, and all the anti-tank weapons wound her on 2+ ignoring her armour.

So if she's a normal MC, unless I'm missing something, she's probably going to be hard to keep alive.

Isn't Cawl similarly tough, but able to be placed in a unit?
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PostSubject: Re: Eldar Triumvirate    Eldar Triumvirate  - Page 16 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 07 2017, 16:40

Looks like she starts in reserve and you can deploy her when a unit is destroyed so you can stay safe until the opportunity presents itself to deploy in the enemy turn and charge in your turn then use soulburst to charge again and stay in combat away from enemy shooting.
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