Ynnari Special Rules "Leak"

That's true but you can take a heroes path and a cast of players in a single detachment now so having Auras outside the boat but the witchfire coming from inside much more easily now.

You could WWP the AOM, MOS, and Visarch for a -7LD.

Doesnt the Visarch have people use the lowest Leadership? So that most likely ranges from -0 to -3 depending on the target. In a lot of cases he could have no effect on units as people do not tend to take Sgs. in their squads.

I'm sorry, you are correct. Although he will be the bane of any swarm type unit banking on a character inside.

This is all a great way to kill a thing. A thing. A single thing, once, probably. Awful lot of points to invest in what is essentially a one hit wonder.

I'm referring to the very casual meta that I play in, but obviously the freakshow can be made to be a bit more competitive than what is typically seen in my area.

Be more specific a thing with a toughness. Any single thing with a toughness, no matter the number of bodies that given thing spreads them over or it's average toughness or aggregate number of wounds.

Presuming we're talking about 1850 comp lists so it's going to take up less than a third of your points and can be entirely contained within 1 detachment If you find yourself needing anti SHV more frequently you take an actual DE CAD/RRD with Haywire scourges, if you need more MSU and obsec you take an allied CWE CAD of scatbikes and rangers.

I will be taking a Corsairs detachment for a Void dreamer and choosing webway breach, Levitation, and Precognition. Deep strike with out scatter turn 2 and nuke some thing with a toughness, return to my ongoing reserves turn 3, Deep strike with out scatter turn 4 and nuke something else. repeat if we get to turn 6.

Would you be taking Corsairs as an allied Detachment to your Ynnari? I don't believe you can take Corsairs as Ynnari.

No I'll be taking a Corsair Fleet Raiding Party as my Primary. 1 unit of Splinter Bikes. A Prince and a Void Dreamer. Prince must be warlord.

Whilst I'm now overjoyed that I can run my Deldar and Harlies without having to take a damn Voidweaver, the lack of 6 FA slots like wot Castellans has means I'll be making some very tough choices. And I was so looking forward to starting my Harlequins in their Raiders once again! Oh well, looks like I'll be taking 2 detachments now that Harlies are Troops at least.

However, does anyone feel a little gimped that Eldar basically get to take their entire book's worth of choices, but we don't? I was really hoping for this to be a 'third way' thing what with the formations basically using no Aspect Warriors bar Dire Avengers. Perhaps I'm just worried in case we get a big stupid lore love-in like with End Times Khaine...

I guarantee we are. End times Khaine is also not a problem, People were simply too impatient. There is absolutely another elvish civil war coming in AOS, probably directly coinciding with the rebirth of slaanesh.

As for Khaine itself that's explicitly what's happening here. We're about to get the equivalent of the Malekith the Eternity King side next week, and when a Vect/Coven inverse side arrives they will be the Tyrion Avatar of Khaine side. Likely Pain focused rather than War focused but whatever.

PsychicHobo wrote:

However, does anyone feel a little gimped that Eldar basically get to take their entire book's worth of choices, but we don't?

Look again. We get to take "unlimited number of formations" from the formation list in the ynnari detachment, which means that you can take a realspace raiders detachment as PART of the ynnari detachment, getting your 6 FA slots, along with the extra special rules from the RSR.

Realspace Raider Detachment (RRD) is a detachment. not a formation thus it can't be taken within the detachment. The page before also explicitly says only the dataslates on the chart can be taken so no Purge Cotorie either. That I think is unfortunate not only because it's far more practical than a KRP, but also that by taking an Ynnari KRP none of the Ynnari units will benefit from the +1 to power from pain.

@amorrowlyday Gotcha.

If only Dark Eldar had more than 1 vanilla formation like most other competitive codices out there. Doesn't games workshop realize that if you're going to scale back the power creep you have to scale back everybody. Sigh.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I have been reading that when you take Dark Eldar and Eldar as Ynnari, they will trade their Power from Pain and Battlefocus rules (respectively) for the Strength from Death rule. If such a mechanic is the case then what are Harlies giving up?

Nothing! that's their prize for making it happen! In all seriousness they aren't losing anything because reasons or not.

so CWE and DE lose Battlefocus and PfP but harlies lose nothing?

Well that's the thing. technically they don't get anything. The majority opinion, for right or wrong, simply happens to be that you don't run troupes without rising crescendo so 2 of the three sources of that are what people play most often. On a hero's path you notice that it isn't there but what you do have has such odd play habits that that observation fades. You can't use rising crescendo with mixed faction squads so you don't notice with the Cast of Players either.

I dont think Harlies were ever supposed to be their own faction, they were meant to sprinkle into other Eldar armies. This just does it easier/better than the previously available formations (Heros Path and Cast of Players). If anything, its a buff to Harlies (and us by the transitive property).

A Hero's Path in venoms is a thing again.

Harlies did lose something guys, you can't run them in a masque formation and run and assault in the same turn!

amorrowlyday wrote:

Realspace Raider Detachment (RRD) is a detachment. not a formation thus it can't be taken within the detachment.

Oohh, I missed that and didn't double-check myself before I spoke. My mistake. In that case, that IS pretty whack. The only DE formation allowed is a formation that is generally regarded as bad.

Forgive me if I'm just saying what someone has already said, but I just need to clear this up:
Taking entries from the CAD in the new book means anything in that CAD now gains PFD?

Vlad wrote:

Forgive me if I'm just saying what someone has already said, but I just need to clear this up:
Taking entries from the CAD in the new book means anything in that CAD now gains PFD?

I've not seen the full rules yet but I would certainly assume that is the case.

TeenageAngst wrote:

This is all a great way to kill a thing. A thing. A single thing, once, probably. Awful lot of points to invest in what is essentially a one hit wonder.

If that One Single Thing turns out to be half a Death Star then I'm not going to complain.

I have a great deal of experience with Freakshow lists. Dropping in a big unit with lots of juice behind it is dangerous, sure, but if you plan for it correctly you can easily survive to kill far more than just 'a single thing.'