Codex Drukhari is offical for the start of 2021

I think we need to pay attention to the Death Guard Codex ... setting neurons aside as they were the big release nemesis, Death Guard will be the first look at how GW is treating Non Space Marine Codexs this edition (i know technically Chaos are still space Marines but they really haven't been given the same type of love that imperial spehs mahreens have gotten) and PaPa Nurgle seems to be the favorite in terms of the Chaos gods so I'd imagine that he'd be blessed with the most pungent of updates to then stagnate the rest of the rules that come after

Archon_91 wrote:

PaPa Nurgle seems to be the favorite in terms of the Chaos gods so I'd imagine that he'd be blessed with the most pungent of updates to then stagnate the rest of the rules that come after

I would not bet on it. Deathguard were the big baddies at beginning of 8th. And if you think of it, AoS started with with a 2 player box stormcasts vs nurgle. 40k followed with Marines vs Deathguard for 8th. AoS second edition had a stormcast vs undead box. 40k 9th edition followed with a marines vs necrons box. If that are not only some coincidences and 40k is following AoS just with a delay Slaanesh is the chaos god of the near future.

If I remember correctly Daughters of Khaine had their battletome about 2-3 months before our 8th edition codex, now they got a new book, not a battletome, but still some bigger updates and our codex could again be around that time span afterwards. Could all be a coincidence, but could also be that the update cycles of the two games are actually synchronised.

Burnage wrote:

Cerve wrote:

Hey, do you all think that the rumors from 1 month ago can be actually true?
Wracks 2 Wounds
Wyches -1 to hit built in
Kabalites +1 to hit if stationary, -1 to hit (to the oppo) if moving

Just, please, makes dodge viable against pistols and shooting in melee!

Where were these rumours from?

Wish listing

Burnage wrote:

Cerve wrote:

Hey, do you all think that the rumors from 1 month ago can be actually true?
Wracks 2 Wounds
Wyches -1 to hit built in
Kabalites +1 to hit if stationary, -1 to hit (to the oppo) if moving

Just, please, makes dodge viable against pistols and shooting in melee!

Where were these rumours from?

From this:

https://servimg.com/view/20267725/1

i don't know if this will affect us, but the Death Guard codex has been delayed to the start of 2021....bad news!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/12/04/death-guard-release-delayed-in-the-warp/

of course it will affect us...
We are looking at February at the earliest

Death guards delayed because of a pandemia is a bit ironic. Yet, Nurgle is also god of stagnation, soooo.....

Or the Death Guards are just too busy here on Earth to start a campaign in the galaxy :/

Mmm once again I get a glimpse at the potential of of the future Druhkari after looking into those blessed by papa nurgle... the new deadly pathogens rules they have where they get to choose (and pay for ... but probably something like 1-2 points per model) an upgrade to their plague weapons sounds an awful lot like rules that people have wanted to see our poison weapons get for several years ... where we could upgrade our poison weapons with different poisons so our troops could be tailored towards certain kinds of combat ... it would give us a reason to want to take troops, all the coven close combat poison weapons, the wych splinter pistols, the kabalite splinter rifles and then all the splinter cannons that are packed jnto our lists, I wouldn't mind setting aside 200 points just for poison weapon upgrades that let me change what each group targets and how effective they are at actually causing pain ...

lets be honest here, there is no way on earth we will get the same treatment as Deathguard.
We are just a footnote in the game, we will get some upgrades on stats and weapons, our PC-Lellith that HAS to change and that will be advertised as an amazing model upgrade that we absolutely needed and thats it...
No Vect, no Archons with wings, no Kabalite snipers and def no Malice, Baron, Kheradruakh or whatever 5th edition dreams some of us still have after waves after waves of disappointment...

...yeah i need coffee, kinda woke up grumpy :/

ho and try to wake up in 2020....soon to be 2021.....not in 2008 anymore
Seriously i'm tired of hearing complaints about how 5th edition was great and everything else sucked since then.....it's like saying that there's no more good music since the Beatles!
I do get your point that our golden age is far behind us, but try to be more creative instead of being stuck in conservatism. Look forward and stop looking backward.
I know i wont make friends with this kind of comment, but well, maybe i woke up grumpy too
No offense there!

Eh, I gotta agree with Devildoll here.
Will we get vect? Nope, we will get Lelith (yet again). At this point, even a new, never heard of archon would be better.

Will we get jetpacks/wings/jetbikes? Nope, we will be able to ride in a transport, where our auras don't work, and where the 5 model capacity makes them ride alone or with a court.

Will we get a lord of war, superheavy or titan? If we get a lord of war, look no further than the aforementioned Lelith, as for a superheavy... nope. Got to borrow from the Eldar, we are not allowed one of our own.

Will Wyches become better? Probably not. At BEST, the 4++ save will work if we are in 1" of an enemy... making surviving against pistols a little better, but they still will have a lot of attacks that pack no punch... they might as well be using twigs as weapons.

Will poison be fixed? No, because wounding on a 4+ is decent, nothing to be fixed here. The problem is that that is the only option we are given, we have no -1ap shots at str 3 or 4 where our troops carry them standard. Poison is a nich rule, and decent on a unit or two (3 splinter cannons on 3 corsair jetbikes, I am looking at you) but to force every shooty unit in the army to use it, and no other sucks. Will this be fixed? HA! Nope!

Will Hellions become better? Like everyone else, I LOVE the model and want to use them so badly. the problem is, they suck beyond all previous measurements of suckiness. Marine hand to hand jump troops are tough, small elite units that carry devastating weapons that fill a weakness in their armies. Toughness 4, 3+ save, Lightning Claws, Power Swords, Grenades... What do Hellions have? Poison shooting weapons (surprise surprise!) Toughness 3 with a 5+ save. But hey, we can take them in blobs of 20, so some may live after the 45 point IG squad wipes over half of them out with lasguns. Hellions can be fixed, but the change in stats it would take GW will never do. so we will be left with this awesome looking and useless unit that after this new codex drops may possibly get -1 ap to their attacks. Yeah, that should fix them.

Expect the following units to DECREASE in efficiency this codex: Talos, Grotesques, anything POF related, Ravagers, Reapers, and Venoms.

Expect the following to get a BUFF this codex: (Which may still not be enough)
Reaver Jetbikes, Wyches, Beasts, Hellions (ha!), Wracks, and maybe mandrakes and scourges, though I think they are just about where GW wants them to be.

So there you have it, More pessimism, but 100% the reality I am expecting. I hope for a rule or two than can be exploited to make some units perform better than intended, and not to get the warriors any worse than they are now. They wont be better, I just don't want worse!

I run with: "Prepare for the worst, expect the average, hope for the best."

As long as the codex ends up a net positive I'll take that defensive victory. But I do think our faction does not run high on the effort scale for GW. I imagine their prioritization of effort runs along with the projected profitability of the venture. But there is always the hope that whomever they chose to lead the Dark Eldar Codex update has the passion themselves to make our faction function more like the fast classcannon (Coven exempted) army. At the moment I've had much the class but little the cannon (Coven exempted). Already the glimpsed Incubi update felt like a step in the right direction, and if nothing else, that would leave us as a net positive. Although I really do hope there more improvement than that.

I do not fault those that are more vary of expecting too much from the update, I feel like our updates haven't been that impactful for a while now.

Also we could definitely use a few optimists here to balance the humors. It can get dark here.

i'm fine with pessimism, what bothers me is the argument that we don't have the same rules and units that we had back in the days of 5th edition.
The kind of comment that Skulnbonz give is perfect, yes he is pessimist, but, he try to validate a little bit what he's saying. He's not saying: our 9th edition Codex will sucks because everything sucked for us for the last 12 years.....this comment does not mean anything at all, it's just wind!
That's my whole point.

Lol for my defense it's my first time that i am in a forum....maybe i wasnt prepared for this kind of comments Maybe one day i'll join your ranks lol

5th codex wasn't exactly perfect. It was full of wargear options that sounded good in the fluff but were pretty crappy on the table.

Kalmah wrote:

ho and try to wake up in 2020....soon to be 2021.....not in 2008 anymore
Seriously i'm tired of hearing complaints about how 5th edition was great and everything else sucked since then.....it's like saying that there's no more good music since the Beatles!
I do get your point that our golden age is far behind us, but try to be more creative instead of being stuck in conservatism. Look forward and stop looking backward.
I know i wont make friends with this kind of comment, but well, maybe i woke up grumpy too
No offense there!

None taken and i love the fact that for every pessimist in here there is an optimist like you that brings balance...!

So you can consider me a virtual friend already ^_^

DevilDoll happy to see you did not take my comment on the wrong side
In the end, after all, we are all speculating.....well....who will live will see if pessimists or optimists were right this time!

"The optimist and the Pessimist both contribute to society. The optimist invents the airplane, the pessimist invents the parachute."
-George Bernard Shaw

Skulnbonz wrote:

"The optimist and the Pessimist both contribute to society. The optimist invents the airplane, the pessimist invents the parachute."
-George Bernard Shaw

And the opportunist sells insurances to the pessimists.

Lol, loving how polite this disagreement is. Who would have thought the forum dedicated to evil torture elves would be one of the most civil places on the internet XD

We can all agree that the new Codex is going to be better (in general) than the old one the ones of us that enjoy the army now will enjoy the army even more in a couple months.

I, for one, am painting more space elves because of the hype!

Denegaar wrote:

We can all agree that the new Codex is going to be better (in general) than the old one the ones of us that enjoy the army now will enjoy the army even more in a couple months.

I, for one, am painting more space elves because of the hype!

Not sure. Even if our codex gets better, if every others are getter better to a greater extend, it will be worse.

Regardless, it's pretty much guaranteed that playing games of 9th ed 40k with the 9th ed codex will be preferable to playing it with the 8th ed codex.

quick question here: Do some of you have some feedback / impressions about the already released Codexes? Is there a clear winner.....a clear loser?
Including the supplements we have:

SM
Necrons
Blood Angels
Space Wolves
Deathwatch

not a lot to analyze here, but this could help us a little what to expect.

I don't play Necrons, but after reading through their codex, I'm really tempted to start. It appears to have viable options for every style of play.