Codex Drukhari is offical for the start of 2021

Reavers vs Hellions is baffling. Reavers at 10 seem really strong... maxing on them is just 360 points lol, that's a huge tide of bikers charging you turn 1.

Good to see that we can Fire and Fade into transports now

Blaster Scourges getting 8 points discount is also huge, to 22 from 30. 17 from 25 for Shredder Scourges.

Some unpaid intern mixed up the reavers with the hellions

AzraeI wrote:

Some unpaid intern mixed up the reavers with the hellions

Yeah I was thinking it too. I'm pretty sure that the final result will be Hellions at 10 ppm and Reavers at 17 ppm. Way more balanced.

Let's face the reality guys: Reavers at 10 points are simply broken. They make no sense at all.

Wait. In the introduction, they say that every equipment that don't figure in the list, for that specific unit it is free.
like the Grots that are 40 points right now.

Sometimes some equipment have different points cost. Liquegun on Wracks cost 10, Liquegun on Grots cost 5. It seems right because LiqueGrots switch their blade (which now the cost is inside the Grot) for the Liquegun. So it makes sense, Wracks switch nothing for their liquefier gun.

But what about Reavers? Are you telling me that Blasters are 10 points for Kabalites?

Heat Lances are 10 when mounted on Reavers.

For sure Reaver cost is a typo. Maybe they just pressed the 0 instead of the 9 and they are actually 19 ppm.

Hellions at 10 would be stupidly cheap too, as they are fast enough to tie the entire enemy army on turn 1. If they are 17, I expect a big buff to them in the Codex, as right now are really really poor.

Denegaar wrote:

Heat Lances are 10 when mounted on Reavers.

For sure Reaver cost is a typo. Maybe they just pressed the 0 instead of the 9 and they are actually 19 ppm.

Hellions at 10 would be stupidly cheap too, as they are fast enough to tie the entire enemy army on turn 1. If they are 17, I expect a big buff to them in the Codex, as right now are really really poor.

Yeah I saw Heatlances now.

Actually Hellions at 10 ppm are fine. Yeah they can charge in T1 and......die? There's NOTHING that cannot kill them. You can just tied up Veichles I guess...no, they will shoot you back in their firing phase.
Same costs as Wyches, but:
-Wyches have OS
-6++ saves, 4++ in combat
-No retreat rule
-They hide into a transport

Yeah Wyches still better than them, BUT at 10 ppm you can consider them in some games. They would be fine enough.

So yeah, I'm pretty sure they will be 10 ppm, and Reavers at 17 ppm.

BTW it says for Grots unit size 3-6 models?
well that sucks imo.

Swordxart wrote:

BTW it says for Grots unit size 3-6 models?
well that sucks imo.

OH MY GOD WRACKS ARE 5-20!!!!!!!!!


I missed that! Yeah ok Grots sucks, but they still super good in 5 vs blast.
But OH MY GOD WRACKS ARE 5-20!!!!!!! BLACK CORNUCOPIAAAAAANS!

20 Wracks?
All our troops can be taken in squads of 20!

Our dogs dropped to only being able to take 6 instead of 12. Look for a buff in the new dex

Skulnbonz wrote:

20 Wracks?
All our troops can be taken in squads of 20!

Our dogs dropped to only being able to take 6 instead of 12. Look for a buff in the new dex

No wracks where max 10 before.

I'm just wondering where the hell this update has been for the past six months. These changes feel incredible - to the point that several of them feel like they have to be mistakes - and the only thing tempering my hype is the expectation that a lot of them will still be changing when our Codex drops.

Burnage wrote:

I'm just wondering where the hell this update has been for the past six months. These changes feel incredible - to the point that several of them feel like they have to be mistakes - and the only thing tempering my hype is the expectation that a lot of them will still be changing when our Codex drops.

I think.......there's only one mistake, which is Reavers/Hellions.
All the rest seems in line with SM powercreep honestly. We will see with the new Codex anyway. But yes, there's a lot of new exciting stuff here! Even Clawed Fiends are pretty good if Ynnari (which don't take Strenght from Death BUT still take the YNNARI keyword. So 5++ from psy, 6+++ from the Yncarne, rerolling wounds from both psy and strats, etc).

A Flayed Skull setting comes back too, 5 Kabalites w/ blaster+blast pistol are 55 points now. Into 75/85 Venom.

20 Wracks+Black Cornucopioans is just insane, and I think it will change on the Codex (not the size, but the Obsession and Stratagems for sure...).

New DarkTechnomancers is a bit more risky for Venoms, but it's really good for Wracks now that you can allocate MW on non-gunner Wracks. 5 w/2 Liqueguns are pretty viable now! You roll likely 7 hits, so maybe 1 Wrack will die everytime you shoot. But it's ok, think about 5-6 squads shooting the same enemy. For...60 points? 7 auto hit shots +1 to wound and damage.

Maybe the new Codex will not be so bad at all

20 Wracks at 8 points each feels like a definite mistake to me.

Why are our characters climbing back up in points?

I know it's a minor complaint, as we're clearly getting a good deal overall. It just bugs me when it seems to be at the expense of already abysmal characters getting even worse for no reason.

Swordxart wrote:

BTW it says for Grots unit size 3-6 models?
well that sucks imo.

That would make a lot of sense for a unit that comes in a box of 3

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Why are our characters climbing back up in points?

I know it's a minor complaint, as we're clearly getting a good deal overall. It just bugs me when it seems to be at the expense of already abysmal characters getting even worse for no reason.

Hopefully just a temporary setback!

ursvamp wrote:

That would make a lot of sense for a unit that comes in a box of 3

Idk which box ur talking about
I hope your not believing we are getting one lol

Swordxart wrote:

ursvamp wrote:

That would make a lot of sense for a unit that comes in a box of 3

Idk which box ur talking about
I hope your not believing we are getting one lol

Hey, I'm just sayin'...

Burnage wrote:

20 Wracks at 8 points each feels like a definite mistake to me.

For now. But just change PoF Obsession and those come back to normal

Burnage wrote:

20 Wracks at 8 points each feels like a definite mistake to me.

Could be a copy and paste error from the Kabalites directly above. So points and unit size for Wrecks could be wrong. Haven't they made this mistake already with Wracks in Killteam? Copy and paste a line from another unit? I think there it was their stats.

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Why are our characters climbing back up in points?

They are actually cheaper, except for the Archon. Their equipment is free. The biggest difference should be a Haemonculus with an ichor injector, scissor hand and liquifier gun. Before he was 100 points now 80 points.

Munitorum 2021 MK1 Drukhari's Points values

Koldan wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Why are our characters climbing back up in points?

They are actually cheaper, except for the Archon. Their equipment is free. The biggest difference should be a Haemonculus with an ichor injector, scissor hand and liquifier gun. Before he was 100 points now 80 points.

Oh okay.

Though I'm still not seeing what the Archon does that warrants a price hike.

Actually, let me guess - all the winning DE lists that included Kabal have included at least one Archon. [/quote]

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Koldan wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Why are our characters climbing back up in points?

They are actually cheaper, except for the Archon. Their equipment is free. The biggest difference should be a Haemonculus with an ichor injector, scissor hand and liquifier gun. Before he was 100 points now 80 points.

Oh okay.

Though I'm still not seeing what the Archon does that warrants a price hike.

Actually, let me guess - all the winning DE lists that included Kabal have included at least one Archon.

[/quote]

Beacuse Archon w/Djinn+Hatred Eternal is just insane at 65 point. And still be at 70

Cerve wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Koldan wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Why are our characters climbing back up in points?

They are actually cheaper, except for the Archon. Their equipment is free. The biggest difference should be a Haemonculus with an ichor injector, scissor hand and liquifier gun. Before he was 100 points now 80 points.

Oh okay.

Though I'm still not seeing what the Archon does that warrants a price hike.

Actually, let me guess - all the winning DE lists that included Kabal have included at least one Archon.

Beacuse Archon w/Djinn+Hatred Eternal is just insane at 65 point. And still be at 70[/quote]

By what possible measure?

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Cerve wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Koldan wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Why are our characters climbing back up in points?

They are actually cheaper, except for the Archon. Their equipment is free. The biggest difference should be a Haemonculus with an ichor injector, scissor hand and liquifier gun. Before he was 100 points now 80 points.

Oh okay.

Though I'm still not seeing what the Archon does that warrants a price hike.

Actually, let me guess - all the winning DE lists that included Kabal have included at least one Archon.

Beacuse Archon w/Djinn+Hatred Eternal is just insane at 65 point. And still be at 70

By what possible measure?[/quote]

By an Archon with Huskblade i guess?

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Cerve wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Koldan wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Why are our characters climbing back up in points?

They are actually cheaper, except for the Archon. Their equipment is free. The biggest difference should be a Haemonculus with an ichor injector, scissor hand and liquifier gun. Before he was 100 points now 80 points.

Oh okay.

Though I'm still not seeing what the Archon does that warrants a price hike.

Actually, let me guess - all the winning DE lists that included Kabal have included at least one Archon.

Beacuse Archon w/Djinn+Hatred Eternal is just insane at 65 point. And still be at 70

By what possible measure?[/quote]

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