Codex Drukhari is offical for the start of 2021

The gal on the front cover is clearly a Kabalite warrior. I have no idea what they were thinking when making the cover but I don't take it too seriously myself. Can't say that I'm a huge fan of the cover in general.

CptMetal wrote:

Craftworld sissy will probably look alien too.

Yeah I'm all for more alien eldar, but why do they have to look like halloween witches in cheap rubber masks?

Good news, chaps - Dark Eldar are already the top contender for the Ugliest Codex Cover of 9th Edition Competition. Granted, there are many more still to be revealed but the bar has been set pretty damn high.

Seriously, the top half in particular looks like the artist gulped down some pea-soup and then threw up on the cover.

That very petty gripe aside, Incubi certainly seem to have been improved (though I'll wait to see their price tag and such). Apparently we're also getting "more attacks" and "stabbier" elsewhere, too. We'll see.

However, I can't help but notice that there's been no suggestion of new models beyond the totally-not-Lelith one they've been hinting at for the last 3 months or so. Nor any hint of new options. Given that we've spent the last two editions haemorrhaging units and options, I fear it's going to take more than better Incubi to lure me back. Because what I absolutely don't want my DE to be is functional-but-boring.

I don't want to be negative too early (I'll wait until the codex drops and I'm inevitably proved right). However, I can't help but look at the recent splurge of Necron releases and the 3 years of straight Marine releases before that, and sigh as we're once again offered nothing but rotting bread and maggot-infested cheese.

Anyone else feel like Mandrakes (and maybe other terror troops from other armies) are going to receive a stratagem similar to the one Space Marines Reavers now have ? (preventing objective secured)

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Good news, chaps - Dark Eldar are already the top contender for the Ugliest Codex Cover of 9th Edition Competition. Granted, there are many more still to be revealed but the bar has been set pretty damn high.

Seriously, the top half in particular looks like the artist gulped down some pea-soup and then threw up on the cover.

That very petty gripe aside, Incubi certainly seem to have been improved (though I'll wait to see their price tag and such). Apparently we're also getting "more attacks" and "stabbier" elsewhere, too. We'll see.

However, I can't help but notice that there's been no suggestion of new models beyond the totally-not-Lelith one they've been hinting at for the last 3 months or so. Nor any hint of new options. Given that we've spent the last two editions haemorrhaging units and options, I fear it's going to take more than better Incubi to lure me back. Because what I absolutely don't want my DE to be is functional-but-boring.

I don't want to be negative too early (I'll wait until the codex drops and I'm inevitably proved right). However, I can't help but look at the recent splurge of Necron releases and the 3 years of straight Marine releases before that, and sigh as we're once again offered nothing but rotting bread and maggot-infested cheese.

Bloody hell, man. The only thing that's been fully revealed is a set of substantial buffs for one of our more iconic units and you're already prepared to throw the entire book into a fire.

Maybe dial back on the pessimism just a little bit?

lol what i find funny, if you read the comments, all the first page (so like the first 15-20 comments), everyone was hyped, and than the parade of pessimist has come in....
Ok, i gotta admit that i prefer the cover of the 8th edition Drukhari Codex, but that's just my taste.
As for what they are promising, i'm really satisfied, and if the Incubi are to be a reference for what to expect, we can assume we will be back in the Glass Canon seat, wich is exactly where we want to be!
No i don't expect to receive as many new models than the Necron, hell!, they are the front face of Indomitus, and Space Marine are SM, just be a little bit realistic now.
Some upgrades for my already existing units, some new ways to build my army, one or 2 new units (including the Lelith) and i'll be more than happy! And that's exactly what they seems to be promising.

For all those who loves to hate to play Drukhari, you can all sends me your now-more-useless-than-ever-models i'll gladly take em all!

Burnage wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Good news, chaps - Dark Eldar are already the top contender for the Ugliest Codex Cover of 9th Edition Competition. Granted, there are many more still to be revealed but the bar has been set pretty damn high.

Seriously, the top half in particular looks like the artist gulped down some pea-soup and then threw up on the cover.

That very petty gripe aside, Incubi certainly seem to have been improved (though I'll wait to see their price tag and such). Apparently we're also getting "more attacks" and "stabbier" elsewhere, too. We'll see.

However, I can't help but notice that there's been no suggestion of new models beyond the totally-not-Lelith one they've been hinting at for the last 3 months or so. Nor any hint of new options. Given that we've spent the last two editions haemorrhaging units and options, I fear it's going to take more than better Incubi to lure me back. Because what I absolutely don't want my DE to be is functional-but-boring.

I don't want to be negative too early (I'll wait until the codex drops and I'm inevitably proved right). However, I can't help but look at the recent splurge of Necron releases and the 3 years of straight Marine releases before that, and sigh as we're once again offered nothing but rotting bread and maggot-infested cheese.

Bloody hell, man. The only thing that's been fully revealed is a set of substantial buffs for one of our more iconic units and you're already prepared to throw the entire book into a fire.

Maybe dial back on the pessimism just a little bit?

You mean like when I was pessimistic about Phoenix Rising, because the supposed reveals had lasted almost a month and yet almost nothing had actually been revealed, save that we'd be getting custom faction traits and tweaked Drazhar/Incubi rules? I expressed my concerns that those were all we'd get and the release team was trying to cover up this fact by pretending that 'Incubi but from a different angle' qualified as news. Naturally, I was immediately called out for not being sufficiently optimistic. "Of course Dark Eldar will get more than just custom faction traits. You're just being unreasonably pessimistic."

Well perhaps they're right, I thought. Maybe I'm being unfair to GW with regard to how they see DE.

And then the book arrived and, lo and behold, Dark Eldar got a handful of crap custom faction traits and bugger-all else.

So, no. I will be as pessimistic as I damn well please because GW has delivered nothing but disappointment for the last decade. If you want me to be optimistic, show me something to be optimistic about beyond 'look, Incubi have slightly better stats now!'. Cool. Great. Now what about the models that we've been haemorrhaging since 5th? What about all the options and wargear we've lost in the last two books? Because those are the things I actually care about and I've seen zero signs thus far that either will be coming back.

You want to be optimistic about the new book, fine. Go nuts. But if a chocolate ice cream machine squirted out cold faeces the last 10 times it was turned on, you'll forgive me if I'm disinclined to put my mouth under it in the baseless hope that the next time it will definitely, honestly squirt out chocolate ice cream instead.

I love the direction they are hinting at. Actual Glass Cannon stuff. May actually get me to build the fine-cast Incubi that have been sitting in my pile of shame for the last 4 years...

If they keep to this design philosophy, I think a lot of us denizens of the Dark City will be happy. Ish. You can only have so much happiness when Slannesh is nibbling on your soul

Kalmah wrote:

lol what i find funny, if you read the comments, all the first page (so like the first 15-20 comments), everyone was hyped, and than the parade of pessimist has come in....

Having started with DE shortly before our 7th edition codex came out gave me PTSD. Every time I get hyped I question myself "but do they know what they are doing?". The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

I love that Incubi finally have the profile they deserve. Heck, I even started assembling my plastic Incubi yesterday. I can't say that I'm disappointed. But the thing I'm most afraid is by the time that we can play the power creep has already caught up with us.


And can somebody make sense out of this?

Warhammer Community wrote:

... Their new rules allow you to take the realspace raiding force you’ve dreamed of without being penalised in Command point cost. Want to run a pure Wych cult? You can do that. Have an urge to mix up Kabals with Haemonculi Covens?

How were we ever penalized in Command Points? We could play a Cults Batallion before and mix Kabals with Covens via the Realspace Raiders rule. Our major penalty was losing obsessions when you mixed Cult, Kabal or Covens. I just don't get it.

GW has, as samurai said, boned us pretty much for a decade. They took all our characters, pheonix rising sucked (I mean did anyone ever use the new "kabal" traits yet? No? why not?
cause they SUCK.)
But, hope springs eternal and with a new dex comes new hope.
so optimistically:

New Incubi units sound great! Str 5, hitting on 2's, 2 damage each, 4 damage on 6+ to wound... perfect! And throw Drazahar in the mix and they are wounding up to toughness 9 on a 4+!

The fact we can now mix units of kabal, wych and coven units without penalty and without being charged extra for it is great. they said what, "realspace raiders" can do this. Sweet!

Now Pessimistically, (and probably the reality)

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New Incubi units sound great! Str 5, hitting on 2's, 2 damage each, 4 damage on 6+ to wound... perfect! And throw Drazahar in the mix and they are wounding up to toughness 9 on a 4+!

Um... yes, 2+ ws and str 5, damage 2 is correct, because those are the rules they released to us. Where does it say that Incubi do an additional 2 wounds on a 6 to wound? Where does it say anything about Drazahar having an aura ability? IT DOESN'T. There is no guarantee that those rules remain, otherwise Urien would auto wound (his old rule, remember?)
So how many points do you think they will be going up?
It all sounds great when they give you a tidbit of info, but not the whole story.

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The fact we can now mix units of kabal, wych and coven units without penalty and without being charged extra for it is great. they said what, "realspace raiders" can do this. Sweet!

So lets see EXACTLY what GW said....

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Their new rules allow you to take the realspace raiding force you’ve dreamed of without being penalized in Command point cost. Want to run a pure Wych cult? You can do that. Have an urge to mix up Kabals with Haemonculi Covens? Do it!

.......
What the hell are they trying to pull here? Why did they stress the words 'Realspace Raiders?" You know why? Because right now, even with our old dex, we can mix all three without penalty.
reread what they wrote. it is not a bit different than what we have now.
Not even one iota. They did not say you can mix them in the SAME DETACHMENT.
so you want kabal and wyches? Sure, different detachments, just get your CP refunded.

So what does it say that one of their big talking points on the reveal of the dex is something we already have right now? Might as well have said "And they can ride on fast, small vehicles that shoot with not one but TWO poison weapons attached to the hull! It can even move at a blistering 16"!! "
It does not fill me with hope of new rules, models or a decent overhaul when they are regurgitating old rules and trying to pass them off as new.
But, if they keep doing that, maybe the Incubi WILL do 2 extra wounds on a 6+ to wound!


To sum up:
I HOPE the new dex is going to be great!
I FEAR the new dex will seem like it was put together over a weekend, with no thought or planning.

If history is to be our guide, (and it must as past events is the only true predictor of future events)
Souless Samurai is going to be closer to the mark than anyone (including me) wants him to be.

It's not pessimism if it is true.

Well, IF it is actually true that all of the 9th ed codices were designed simultaneously (as is a rumor that I see thrown around a lot), then ours should be fine. So far, all of the 9th ed codices have been consistently good. Granted, there have only been, like 3 so far. However, if they're all as well designed as the Necron dex, then ours should be as well.

Skulnbonz wrote:

So lets see EXACTLY what GW said....

Quote :

Their new rules allow you to take the realspace raiding force you’ve dreamed of without being penalized in Command point cost. Want to run a pure Wych cult? You can do that. Have an urge to mix up Kabals with Haemonculi Covens? Do it!

.......
What the hell are they trying to pull here? Why did they stress the words 'Realspace Raiders?"  You know why? Because right now, even with our old dex, we can mix all three without penalty.
reread what they wrote. it is not a bit different than what we have now.
Not even one iota. They did not say you can mix them in the SAME DETACHMENT.
so you want kabal and wyches? Sure, different detachments, just get your CP refunded.

Oh, I'm glad I'm not the only one who was rather baffled by that statement.

I was rather hoping we'd be more like Necrons - where you can mix and match everything, but some buffs are still tailored to certain unit types. However, I'm now wondering if they'll instead just tweak the wording of Realspace Raiders to work with just 2 Patrols (something they could have already done with a simple errata).

what is just harrassing me, its not that they are pessimist, it is their rightful right to do so!
But, after a FULL DECADE!!! they are still unpleased!! What is holding them??? Why did they not switched to SM so that finally they can have a great army to play with? Why are they still playing and buying this game runned by crooks who only want to steal their money??

I've played magic for 20 years, and after 2 years of deception on the way the game went, i decided to switch and start playing Warhammer instead (a decision i'm still very happy by the way!!)...
i know i may be naive as i am a new player to this game, but just give it a chance!

on another note, someone is aware what kind of rules their will be inside the Warzon charadon book?
Is it like another Psychic Awakening or just some rules for Crusades or stuff like that?
NOW that is one thing that would annoy me if it was new rules and new books to buy at the same time than our Codex.....If it's just crusade's rules, than i'm fine

Kalmah wrote:

But, after a FULL DECADE!!! they are still unpleased!! What is holding them??? Why did they not switched to SM so that finally they can have a great army to play with? Why are they still playing and buying this game runned by crooks who only want to steal their money??

Battered Wife Syndrome?

Fell in love with an army, and no matter how many times it hurts us, we hope "next time will be better", when in reality we know it probably wont.

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Oh, I'm glad I'm not the only one who was rather baffled by that statement.

You are not alone. I used to have confidence in Geuweu bad plans about Drukhari.

Soulless Samurai wrote:

However, I'm now wondering if they'll instead just tweak the wording of Realspace Raiders to work with just 2 Patrols (something they could have already done with a simple errata).

I imagine GW could do that.

The changes to Incubi are a good first step.  We can basically now take up to 30 Twilight Fangs in the army, which ain’t too bad.  So that’s reason for some (mild, cautious) optimism.

However, as Soulless and Skull have pointed out, GW’s track record of late, particularly after the insulting, borderline useless Phoenix Rising, does not, and should not, inspire a lot of confidence.

I think the real canary in the coal mine indicator as to whether GW will actually make a good faith effort to get DE right in 9th will be what they do with poison.  In our brave new world where every model with a MEQ stat line has 2\3 wounds, poison weaponry simply does not function anymore.  Every poison weapon needs -AP and splinter cannons need to be multi-damage for DE to even have a chance of interacting in a meaningful way with 9th edition armies.  So, I think extreme  optimism or extreme pessimism will be slightly premature until poison rules are previewed.

indeed! can't wait to see what will be in store regarding the poison weapon department.
This is the thing that truly left me down most of my games.
I'm totally fine the way we have to build our armies right now, but the poison system is totaly useless as it is now.....it will need a little bit more love.
What if.....just my imagination running wild, the poison weapons would inflict mortal wounds instead of regular wound, thus avoiding the lack of AP on our weapons and giving it a particular flavor.....

''Lethal combat output across the board'', that could be what they means.....again, just my imagination running wild

My heart- I won't build up and paint my Razorwing Flocks and Clawed Fiends now because there may be some sweet new models coming out early next year!

My brain- I won't build up and paint my Razorwing Flocks and Clawed Fiends now because they will be dropped from the new codex.

I think it's appropriate to have hopes and expectations that may differ. Regardless of what the reality will be, I am just glad that we will know for sure what we have to work with for 9th edition earlier than most armies. Having rules be leaked to us slowly will also keep my excitement up for the next three months.

man i just want Vect... There is absolutely NO freaking reason why this guy is not in our armies, and even those that have no idea about dark eldar seem to be asking this simple question: WHERE THE F***K IS VECT

And i know we aren't getting him because he should somehow have been previewed by now and my disappointment grows even bigger

Having said that, for some reason i want and need to keep a positive vibe for our codex and i somehow think that as a whole we will be more or less as good as we were in 8th, even with the few units that we are left with since the great purge of the last editions...

DevilDoll wrote:

man i just want Vect... There is absolutely NO freaking reason why this guy is not in our armies, and even those that have no idea about dark eldar seem to be asking this simple question: WHERE THE F***K IS VECT

Vect? no.. no, you get a third sculpt for Lelith!

lol reminded me of this scene:

Skulnbonz wrote:

lol reminded me of this scene:

hah Sahara, i have to admit good one ^_^

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Skulnbonz wrote:

So lets see EXACTLY what GW said....

Quote :

Their new rules allow you to take the realspace raiding force you’ve dreamed of without being penalized in Command point cost. Want to run a pure Wych cult? You can do that. Have an urge to mix up Kabals with Haemonculi Covens? Do it!

.......
What the hell are they trying to pull here? Why did they stress the words 'Realspace Raiders?"  You know why? Because right now, even with our old dex, we can mix all three without penalty.
reread what they wrote. it is not a bit different than what we have now.
Not even one iota. They did not say you can mix them in the SAME DETACHMENT.
so you want kabal and wyches? Sure, different detachments, just get your CP refunded.

Oh, I'm glad I'm not the only one who was rather baffled by that statement.

I was rather hoping we'd be more like Necrons - where you can mix and match everything, but some buffs are still tailored to certain unit types. However, I'm now wondering if they'll instead just tweak the wording of Realspace Raiders to work with just 2 Patrols (something they could have already done with a simple errata).

In the preview they also said you don't have to fit the army into lots of weird detachments, and the example they gave was an Archon as warlord with some wyches and grotesques, no mentioning of the other hqs. It sounded at least as if you can take them all in one detachment, but they avoided talking about possible disadvantages, they just said you will not lose lots of army rules. At least for me that implies you will lose something.

And about the negativity with Drukhari, that is just normal. If people don't like something they just move on, but if they really like or even love parts, the lore and the miniatures, and have to deal with things they hate, the rules, lack of updates or removal of miniatures, that is when people get really angry.
People may keep calm, if they find out about the drug problems of most persons, but almost detonate if it is their own child for example. If you are really attached to something your emotional reactions positive and negative are always stronger.
Btw i am not implying that 40k is for some as important as their own child. Just used the child as an easily understood example. Another example would be fans of whatever sport is in your nation fanatically followed, maybe soccer? They can also react quite strong to things outsiders see as a small nuisance.

Kalmah wrote:

what is just harrassing me, its not that they are pessimist, it is their rightful right to do so!
But, after a FULL DECADE!!! they are still unpleased!! What is holding them??? Why did they not switched to SM so that finally they can have a great army to play with? Why are they still playing and buying this game runned by crooks who only want to steal their money??

I've played magic for 20 years, and after 2 years of deception on the way the game went, i decided to switch and start playing Warhammer instead (a decision i'm still very happy by the way!!)...
i know i may be naive as i am a new player to this game, but just give it a chance!

Frankly, I mostly like the painting and modelling aspect. I will gladly invest many hours into playing when there is an even and fun playfield for all parties involved. But I also have many other hobbies next to Warhammer and I don't want or need to play with a broken game.

There simply is no other army which I enjoy either thematically, visually or in terms of playstyle. I didn't even think that Space Marines were that uninteresting, but since all the jazz about this Primaris sillyness started going on, they are a hard no-go for me.

Time and time again, GW has buffled me with incredibly questionable decisions (to put it mildly). The time where they had the benefit of the doubt is gone. Now they must deliever.

Sometimes, GW has its moments when it comes to our domain and the overall state of the game. But during all the other times I'd rather play something like Twilight Imperium instead (oh God, I love the clean design of this game).

i'm the first to admit that for the amount of money we spend on this game, it is our right, even our duty, to feel robbed and pissed when the game is taking some weird decision.
But i also think it is right to believe that this time, they've done it right!
Now, no decision at all has been made, and people are already complaining because they still live in the 5th edition when we are now at the 9th edition.
Saying that we never received love in a decade, so that means that in the next decade we won't receive any love at all, is just a nonsense to me. That's all i'm saying.

To have hopes for the future, that's perfect.
To be pissed off when that future happens to not be what we envisioned, that's perfectly legit!
But to be pissed off because your ''guts'' tells you that you will be deceived....now this is where i find it disturbing.