Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex

Cerve wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

It's kinda depressing that our characters are still completely reliant on relics and warlord traits to be worth a damn.

Like every other wortlhy Character in this game.

What are you even talking about?

I play other armies besides DE and none of them rely on warlord traits or artefacts to make their characters worthwhile.

I get that you want to love this codex before it's even out, but this is just plain dishonest.

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

Cerve wrote:

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

Yeah I think most of the custom cults look like a pass now. Old ToS was only ever a band aid until old DoT became all the rage. With the new traits and cult units being stronger, the big three cults all look relatively solid.

Strife is just too good. Damn...it's amazing. Always fight first, it's basically a Slaanesh Army.
And they have the strongest "fight twice/shoot twice" stratagem of the game. Just 2 CP, no triggers, select one Strife unit and just fire/fight a second time.
You can cast it once per round tho.

And we still have to read the Strife Supplement from the campaign

It's good but it's still a tossup. Red grief extra speed and reliable charges is great, and cursed blade hanging out with s5 wyches and 6s reflecting damage back is solid too. But yeah we do need to see what extra toys strife will get in the supplement.

Eh...RedGrief is the less appealing for me right now, but it's true that all the 3 choices are great.

The characters are still quite good without the upgrades, cheaps, with useful auras. The archon can be use to reroll 1s to hit and to wound, the haemonculus gives +1 toughness. Some armies get characteris that do not buff units, so I think the upgrades are not auto takes. You can save on points to play more raiders or wracks for example ...

Can’t wait to get my copy!

HERO wrote:

Koldan wrote:

Another trick is that Lelith seems to be good at catching heavy weapons in melee. Charge the screen, kill a model, move at least 12" closer, the consolidation moves from fighting twice. In you next turn you can switch to fallback and charge if you want to shoot whatever she tagged.

There's a lot of talk about consolidation moves and I think people are confusing pile-ins with consolidation, the two are very different and the timing is crucial.

Pile-ins happen pre-combat and the other is after the combat phase ends.

Consolidation is after the activation not after the end of the combat phase. And I was talking about consolidation. She can consolidate 6" freely in any direction she wants to move and when she activates twice that is a total of 12", that can get her almost anywhere she wants.

Cronos kill a miniatura and revive a drukhari core unit talos are core. Cronos actualy is very good ,is like a apotecary-liutenant.

Cursed blade is seriously nice... Blobs of wyches rolling for armor saves can really ruin someones day
Also did flayed skull loose the rerolls of rapid fire..?

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Cerve wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

It's kinda depressing that our characters are still completely reliant on relics and warlord traits to be worth a damn.

Like every other wortlhy Character in this game.

What are you even talking about?

I play other armies besides DE and none of them rely on warlord traits or artefacts to make their characters worthwhile.

I get that you want to love this codex before it's even out, but this is just plain dishonest.

What are you playing? Because:

Bibliotecary has a promotion
Apothecary has a promotion
Chaplains has promotion/WL/Relic
MasterChapters are a promotions
Smashing Captains has WL/relics
Every Necron Character has a Relic/Trait/CryptekRelic
DG guys have relics
Harlequins got Pivotes/WL/Relics
Daemons has boons/WL/Traits
Orks plays Warbosses WL/Relics and Promoted Psykers.

Every competitive army just runs a lot of these Characters, and/OR Named Characters. Vanilla Characters are really few.
Of course I consider the meta. Everyone in his home can play what he wants.

Cerve wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Cerve wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

It's kinda depressing that our characters are still completely reliant on relics and warlord traits to be worth a damn.

Like every other wortlhy Character in this game.

What are you even talking about?

I play other armies besides DE and none of them rely on warlord traits or artefacts to make their characters worthwhile.

I get that you want to love this codex before it's even out, but this is just plain dishonest.

What are you playing? Because:

Bibliotecary has a promotion
Apothecary has a promotion
Chaplains has promotion/WL/Relic
MasterChapters are a promotions
Smashing Captains has WL/relics
Every Necron Character has a Relic/Trait/CryptekRelic
DG guys have relics
Harlequins got Pivotes/WL/Relics
Daemons has boons/WL/Traits
Orks plays Warbosses WL/Relics and Promoted Psykers.

Every competitive army just runs a lot of these Characters, and/OR Named Characters. Vanilla Characters are really few.
Of course I consider the meta. Everyone in his home can play what he wants.

I completely agrees, what makes characters strong is the ability to upgrade them. That's why few named characters are played competitively. Ours are cheap, so the upgraded ones won't be too expensive I think.

velaresh wrote:

Cronos kill a miniatura and revive a drukhari core unit talos are core. Cronos actualy is very good ,is like a apotecary-liutenant.

Yeah. And there's a stratagem that for 2Cp, when a unit withing 6" from a Cronos kills an enemy unit, you can select the killer unit: it counts on turn 5 for PfP from now on until the end of the game.

So basically shoot down something with 3 Talos within Cronos, spend 2 CPs, and you have a complete PfP sheet for that unit since then.

Maybe the right way to play Taloi right now is just spamming them and Cronos. Like, and heavy Monsters list, with a lot of Haemis-Apothecaries.

HERO wrote:

Did anyone notice how insane the Trypitch Whip got? It's +3 attacks, Poison 2+, AP-3, 2 damage.

Succubus also has 6 attacks now.

That's without drugs or Warlord traits. Let that sink in.

What a blender!!

Ripper.McGuirl wrote:

Are hellions better?

They got -1 ap, +1 attack, +1 wound, and +1 T.
So, they got a little better, yeah.

I got so excited about +1W that I even missed +1T!

Soulless Samurai wrote:

It's kinda depressing that our characters are still completely reliant on relics and warlord traits to be worth a damn.

Why is that depressing? What else were you planning to do with your Relic and Warlord Trait?

Axmar wrote:

Big thing : there's a stratagem for 2CP to make poison weapon work on vehicles (but not on titans). Imagine this with the Kabal of the poisoned tongue ...
Edit : it's called Metallotossine potenti (powerful metalotoxins?) and yes, If I'm not mistaken, for 2CP poison tongue will wound vehicles on 3+...

I love that this is even an option!

Cerve wrote:

You can pick 10 reavers (avoiding Blast effects), bring in 3 Heat lances, moving upon an INFANTRY unit, pop up Eviscerating Fly By (that now triggers on 4+ and you don't need to advance), dish out 5 MW on an Infantry (maybe an Infantry CHARACTER), shoot with 3 HeatLances at BS3+, and then even charge.

Reavers might be my new favorite unit! The amount of utility and damage these things bring to the table is staggering!

Reavers are the perfect counter to Nightbringers and Ghazghkulls:
They deal MW during the movement phase -> Eviscerating Fly By
They deal Wounds during the shooting phase -> Heat Lances
They deal MW during the charge phase -> Grav Talons
They deal Wounds during the assault phase -> Bladevanes + Drugs

There is potential for one round "Now you see it, Now you don't" attacks!

Cerve wrote:

What are you playing? Because:

Bibliotecary has a promotion
Apothecary has a promotion
Chaplains has promotion/WL/Relic
MasterChapters are a promotions
Smashing Captains has WL/relics
Every Necron Character has a Relic/Trait/CryptekRelic
DG guys have relics
Harlequins got Pivotes/WL/Relics
Daemons has boons/WL/Traits
Orks plays Warbosses WL/Relics and Promoted Psykers.

Every competitive army just runs a lot of these Characters, and/OR Named Characters. Vanilla Characters are really few.
Of course I consider the meta. Everyone in his home can play what he wants.

I'm not sure what you mean.

I didn't say that other armies didn't get relics, warlord traits, upgrades etc.

I said they don't *need* them in the way our characters do.

My Imperial Guard have some nice relics and warlord traits but their characters don't *need* them to do their jobs. Sure, if I want, I can have a character who's a bit better in combat or can issue an extra order or whatever, but those things are all surplus. Even without them, the characters fulfil their roles perfectly well.

Same with Necrons. They have a few nice bits of gear but they don't need them to be good.

In contrast, have fun building a good Succubus when all your weapons are D1. Or a good Archon when your only D2 melee weapon is S3.

Pippolele wrote:

Why is that depressing? What else were you planning to do with your Relic and Warlord Trait?

Okay, genius, you do the math - 2 Archons, 1 Warlord trait.

Which one gets to be worth a damn?

crap I have no Hellions! But I have a lot of Reavers! Hell I even feel like I want more of everything I already have...but I can’t fit them all into a 2000 points list.

Is it stupid of me for wanting nothing but Raiders Full of Wyches and Kabalites?

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

crap I have no Hellions! But I have a lot of Reavers! Hell I even feel like I want more of everything I already have...but I can’t fit them all into a 2000 points list.

Is it stupid of me for wanting nothing but Raiders Full of Wyches and Kabalites?

Just call it your 'old school' list.

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Pippolele wrote:

Why is that depressing? What else were you planning to do with your Relic and Warlord Trait?

Okay, genius, you do the math - 2 Archons, 1 Warlord trait.

Thanks! I always doubted myself: Your endorsment means a lot to me!

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Which one gets to be worth a damn?

The one that I am playing. The other one is actually Drahzhar.

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

crap I have no Hellions! But I have a lot of Reavers! Hell I even feel like I want more of everything I already have...but I can’t fit them all into a 2000 points list.

Is it stupid of me for wanting nothing but Raiders Full of Wyches and Kabalites?

I feel my investment in another gangs of commoragh somewhat validated now

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

Is it stupid of me for wanting nothing but Raiders Full of Wyches and Kabalites?

The new Patrol Box has got your name on it!

AzraeI wrote:

I feel my investment in another gangs of commoragh somewhat validated now

I am so very happy I bought a box at the beginning of 8th.

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Cerve wrote:

What are you playing? Because:

Bibliotecary has a promotion
Apothecary has a promotion
Chaplains has promotion/WL/Relic
MasterChapters are a promotions
Smashing Captains has WL/relics
Every Necron Character has a Relic/Trait/CryptekRelic
DG guys have relics
Harlequins got Pivotes/WL/Relics
Daemons has boons/WL/Traits
Orks plays Warbosses WL/Relics and Promoted Psykers.

Every competitive army just runs a lot of these Characters, and/OR Named Characters. Vanilla Characters are really few.
Of course I consider the meta. Everyone in his home can play what he wants.

I'm not sure what you mean.

I didn't say that other armies didn't get relics, warlord traits, upgrades etc.

I said they don't *need* them in the way our characters do.

My Imperial Guard have some nice relics and warlord traits but their characters don't *need* them to do their jobs. Sure, if I want, I can have a character who's a bit better in combat or can issue an extra order or whatever, but those things are all surplus. Even without them, the characters fulfil their roles perfectly well.

Same with Necrons. They have a few nice bits of gear but they don't need them to be good.

In contrast, have fun building a good Succubus when all your weapons are D1. Or a good Archon when your only D2 melee weapon is S3.

It's easy. Succubus keeps rerolling 1s to wound aura+no escape rules (which works on everything now, bikes, Mosters, even veichles lol).
Multiple Archons unlocks multiple Courts, which are a pretty good unit right now. And they keep their Aura too.

BUT most of it, we have:

Alliance of Agony for 1 CP, which now works on realspace raids detathchment;
The Marine-like Stratagem that upgrades another 2 characters with a WL Trait (1 Cp for each and yes, it works on multiple Archons, multiple Succubus, multiple Haemis...if you general is a named character, then you can even upgrades other 2 non-named characters);
The marine-like Stratagem for relics (so up to +2 relics for 1 Cp each.

I mean, it must mean something, right? We're actually the Codex with the most ways to upgrade our characters with WL traits and Relics. The Codex calls it.

AzraeI wrote:

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

crap I have no Hellions! But I have a lot of Reavers! Hell I even feel like I want more of everything I already have...but I can’t fit them all into a 2000 points list.

Is it stupid of me for wanting nothing but Raiders Full of Wyches and Kabalites?

I feel my investment in another gangs of commoragh somewhat validated now

Absolutely...I remember you mentioned that last week didn’t you? I might try and finish Draz this Sunday.

Just everything seems so cool in this codex. If there’s even the hint of a nerf it’s blown away by all the good things. I thought Poison Tongue would be a major pick but back comes Black Heart again and the others look decent.

I’m really pleased Lelith has turned into something more interesting that just a beat stick. There was a lot of negativity so I hope this pleases a few players.

Wyches are back now...depends on the cult but I would expect some Wych armies to appear soon and that would be sweet!

I have no doubt we'll have a strat for multiple warlord traits (all new codexes do), but did you see confirmation somewhere that alliance of agony strat is in the new dex?

Cerve wrote:

BUT most of it, we have:

Alliance of Agony for 1 CP, which now works on realspace raids detathchment;
The Marine-like Stratagem that upgrades another 2 characters with a WL Trait (1 Cp for each and yes, it works on multiple Archons, multiple Succubus, multiple Haemis...if you general is a named character, then you can even upgrades other 2 non-named characters);
The marine-like Stratagem for relics (so up to +2 relics for 1 Cp each.

I mean, it must mean something, right? We're actually the Codex with the most ways to upgrade our characters with WL traits and Relics. The Codex calls it.

And at low points you even start with +2CP compared to everyone else: Gotta blow that paychek somehow! SWAG LIFE

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

crap I have no Hellions! But I have a lot of Reavers! Hell I even feel like I want more of everything I already have...but I can’t fit them all into a 2000 points list.

Is it stupid of me for wanting nothing but Raiders Full of Wyches and Kabalites?

In fact, I think that the GoodOl'Ways will be better than the Coven abused lists right now.


I can see some DT plays with the new Codex. DT is changed but kinda worse with veichles and amazingly good with liquefiers.

DT now costs 2 Obsessions (so no more DT+anything, just DT).
It enanched guns precisely as before, +1 to wound and +1 Damages, ranged of course. But now is: "if you roll 1 or more 1s to HIT, and you CANNOT REROLL to HIT in no ways, the unit get 1 MW. If it is Veichle or Monster, unit get D3 MW".

So....yeah it shreds down Veichles (even if Venoms now shoot 6 shots only, it is one 1s so D3 MW...but Ap-1 and D3 poison 3+ sounds tasty), but oh my..Liquefators are great now.
Auto hit, so no 1s, so no drawbacks for 12" range flamers Sr4 Ap-2 D2 and +1 to wound.
You can run 5 Wracks size squads with 2 Liquegun on Venoms/Raiders, and melt down everything from the chassis.
Hexrifle too are good: Sr6 Ap-2 D2 vanilla. So with DT, it's a sniper with D3 (but MW on natural 6s now tho). And if you roll that 1, 1 Wrack will simply die for the Acothyst.

Choosing a warlord trait and a relic is one of my favourite parts of list building. Doing this multiple times for a few cp is for me a pleasure. Doing this for an Archon, Succubus and Heamy...yay!

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

I have no doubt we'll have a strat for multiple warlord traits (all new codexes do), but did you see confirmation somewhere that alliance of agony strat is in the new dex?

I have the Codex in my hands ...well, in my cellphone pics.

But it is in italian, I posted the imgur with all the stratagems, but italian it's a pretty damn hard language to read.

Yes, there's Alliance of Agony in it, but it works only if the Archon is the general and into a Realspace Raid Detatchment.

Basically, AoA is for Realspace Raids Detatchments specifically.
The normal +2 WL Traits and +2 Relics is everything.

We have both.



Ok more specific:


Alliance of Agony 1CP: If you warlord is an <Realspace raid> <Archon> unit, then you can pick a  <Succubus> and an <Haemonculus> , and generate 1 WL Trait for each of them. Of course a Succubus one for the Succubus, and an Haemi one for the Haemi (no there's nothing such mixing Obsessions/Traits/Relics between the three factions, forget it, it works as always been).
So its 2 Traits for 1 CP, as before. It only works on Realspace Raids.

Raiders of the Dark City 1Cp/2CP: If your warlord is a <Drukhari> (yes, even with a name! -it is important-), then you can generate 1 WL trait for another Drukhari NOT NAMED Character for 1 CP, or for 2 NOT NAMED Characters for 2 CPs. The last, only in games from 1001-2000 points, as every new stratagems.
So it open up to you to have 1 named character and 2 non-named characters with WL traits! Finally you can run your Drazhar with Hatred Eternal (which now is full rerolling Hits AND wounds, yes...he is a beast) AND other 2 characters with WL traits too.
The only limit is that you can't never have 2 (or more) named characters with traits. So no Drazhar-Lelith-Urien party all together, sadly.

Prizen from the Dark City 1Cp/2Cp: literally the same of Raiders, but for Relics.