Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

Darklord wrote:

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No doubt the Master Succubi and Haemonculi had their own retinues too, but we were lucky enough not to see any.

Do you think, Lelith and Urien could be "Master"?

Hard to say.

We have seen this upgrade option for HQ’s for Space Marines and it was a pretty standard upgrade in some respects in that it mainly unlocked additional abilities.

Ours unlocks additional abilities but also upgrades a x1 troop choice. Question is have they given us the option to pay points to upgrade a named character? Which I highly doubt. Or have they included in the rules for Lelith and Rakarth the choice to upgrade x1 troop choice?

My feelings are that it’s unlikely but I do feel as though these characters would be expected to have a more elite retinue.

I have a feeling it may be possible to create a pretty nasty Succubus or Heamy without named characters. Upgrade them, make them even better and then open up the Bloodbrides and Super Wracks.

For me it wouldn't make sense if a "Master Succubus" has an elite Retinue, but Lelith does not. Similar with Urien Rakarth. Lelith could simply have the "Master Succubus" rule by default, which would make her a much more interesting choice overall.

But it's GW, so who knows? I'm not exactly expecting it.

I hope they do kill all those Harlies as well because I can’t paint their trousers! So they can just get lost!

Was just speculating, may have been mentioned earlier:

IF black heart kabal maintains a +1 PfP turn lead over other drukhari AND gives vehicles full PfP (speculation based on round 3 in table), they will replace red grief as the turn 1 alpha strike.

This would also allow round 3 Iyanden-esc shenanigans if we have another way to bump up the PfP clock. That's really versatile.

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IF black heart kabal maintains a +1 PfP turn lead over other drukhari AND gives vehicles full PfP (speculation based on round 3 in table), they will replace red grief as the turn 1 alpha strike.

I do believe every vehicle in every subfaction will get PfP. Maybe even every unit in the codex. Probably we will see something similiar to combat doctrines - one rule in first page of the rules that says - special rules apply to all units, except *insert beasts here*.

krayd wrote:

Maybe we'll get Uber-grotesques back.

Transhuman physiology on Grotesques? mmmmmh

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Transhuman physiology on Grotesques? mmmmmh

That is a really stupid rule. Especially on the Dark Angels.

GW never shined by making rules, tbh
With a stratagem, it was nice and had its limitation. Uniformizing it to an entire category of models, with already powerful buffs is... like you said ^^

It could be explained easily with covens though.
I expect Cronos to bring some defensive buffs, but I really am looking forward to see how Talos will turn out.

I really, really hope that they made the Cronos useful.
But, in the end, I only ask for two things in the new codex: for all units to have a purpose in the battlefield, and for every rule and datasheet to represent the units and the army according to their lore.

After seeing these reveals I'm happy with the direction they are moving cults, more speed and volume of attacks.
I already thought kabals had a well-defined niche (maneuverable fire-support)

I agree with the last few posts in that I'm very curious about covens.

I suspect they don't like how tough they are. If they're not gonna be as tough I hope they gain more of some other niche to compensate. Maybe giving them more of a disruption role would be good. We've already seen rules for other factions that allow obsect or auras to be disabled. Those would fit with coven imo.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/18/become-one-of-commorraghs-greatest-crime-lords-with-the-new-drukhari-codex/

Crusade stuff dropped

GreyArea wrote:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/18/become-one-of-commorraghs-greatest-crime-lords-with-the-new-drukhari-codex/

Crusade stuff dropped

Some pretty cool stuff in there. That rule making poison weapons 2+ is what I had mentioned in a previous post about having different ammo strats. Let’s hope that also finds its way into the main strats.

Ugh.
Waste of a day for me, though I am sure the ones who play crusade are happy.
Not sure if any of the rules will trickle to competitive play, but even if they do, they seem pretty lackluster and very situational at best.

Agonite is the only rule I think has merit, but with GW removing FNP left and right, it may not be as useful as armies are released.

4th day of The preview week
1- Belakor
2- Drukhari article with proper rules
3- article about rules for other armies
4- crusade rules

I'm very pissed off. It's the 4th day of the preview week and it's impossible to know what they have done with the codex. And i'm sure that tomorrow the article is going to be about the dlc.

seems like gw think that drukari players are so stupid to buy the codex saturday without knowing anything abut it.

Rodi Sikni wrote:

4th day of The preview week
1- Belakor
2- Drukhari article with proper rules
3- article about rules for other armies
4- crusade rules

I'm very pissed off. It's the 4th day of the preview week and it's impossible to know what they have done with the codex. And i'm sure that tomorrow the article is going to be about the dlc.

seems like gw think that drukari players are so stupid to buy the codex saturday without knowing anything abut it.

Well to be fair, you either buy it or you don't play Drukhari. At least, that's the boat I'm in.

Rodi Sikni wrote:

seems like gw think that drukari players are so stupid to buy the codex saturday without knowing anything abut it.

I was thinking the same.
Did they already shoot their shot with the preview of the "7 " rules?

Is this it?

Is this all we get?

I would have bet money they would have previewed the hellions, as their cost went up for no known reason...

Give us something... we are grasping at straws here.

After Marines.
After Necrons.
After Death Guard.

If this is it for the Drukhari... we are arguably worse off with the new codex than we were with the old in many ways.

GreyArea wrote:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/18/become-one-of-commorraghs-greatest-crime-lords-with-the-new-drukhari-codex/

Crusade stuff dropped

Looks fine. It's difficult to form an opinion if we only see snippets and not the great picture.
For my part, I stopped believing yesterday that we get any substantial news. We will know more on Saturday when the NDA is lifted and more capable people are allowed to talk about it.

It's funny. The thing I'm looking forward to the most are Dark Lances with D3+3 damage. Which we know from leaked datasheets. That already speaks for itself.

Woah! No need to get so pessimistic (just yet): No news is no indication of no changes (as we can tell from various stat leaks to our weapons).

Let that pain and delusion simmer just a little longer: It will taste that much better when it's all served up on Saturday hahaha

harlokin wrote:

Rodi Sikni wrote:

4th day of The preview week
1- Belakor
2- Drukhari article with proper rules
3- article about rules for other armies
4- crusade rules

I'm very pissed off. It's the 4th day of the preview week and it's impossible to know what they have done with the codex. And i'm sure that tomorrow the article is going to be about the dlc.

seems like gw think that drukari players are so stupid to buy the codex saturday without knowing anything abut it.

Well to be fair, you either buy it or you don't play Drukhari. At least, that's the boat I'm in.

unfortunately for gw, it is not mandatory to buy its codex or its miniatures to play.

But that's not the point. This saturday es the pre-order of the codex. The preview week it's supose to be to show the players what the can find in the codex and make them pre-order it.

Seriously GW think that what they show is nearly enough to make someone think "mmm, looks amazing, i'm going to preorder it"?

That shows very clear what gw think about DE players.

New models for Court of Archon??

New models for Court of Archon ??

Edit: No, they are already existing models: Lhamaean, Urr-ghul, Old resin Archon (though a bit converted) and Sslyth.


Archon, Master Archon (upgrade with pts I guess?) and now Ascendant Lord Archon...

Most hyped stuff from rules are from Crusade lol...

Anyone else see the razorwing in the back of that picture being ridden like a horse?
Guess they now have a transport capacity confirmed!
Sweet

Darklord wrote:

New models for Court of Archon??

New models for Court of Archon ??

What makes you think so? They are the exact same models. Even Ur-Ghuls which are available as plastic in Necromunda. GW can't even hand us a bone.

And, you know, it should tell you something that GW prefers to show a kitbash/conversion instead of the original. In the 8th codex, they even prefer to show a Archon Vraesque kitbash instead of the original model. Whoever works on making those pictures in GW, even they know how ridiculous the original model looks.

LOL some people in here need to get a grip. They released a massive amount of reveals all in one day! If you expected that to continue then shame on you for being so naive.

We were lucky and it was a bit of a treat getting so much in one day. They could have started Monday with a reveal on pfp and left you hanging. Instead they pretty much gave us a weeks worth of reveals all in the same article but of course you always get those childish few that are never satisfied.

One poster already nailed it a week ago when they said expect a reveal on rules, a reveal on crusade and a reveal on the lore. Anything on top of that is a bonus.

You have just 2 days to wait before the cats out of the bag and you’re acting like spoilt little brats.

Yet another nothing-burger of an article. All I'm taking from today is that the Soul Trap doesn't even exist in Matched Play anymore. Outstanding.

So we've had, what, one proper preview article this week? Even if we get one tomorrow, that makes a wopping 2/5 days. I'm afraid I'm having Blood of the Phoenix flashbacks again.


Also, because there's nothing new to look at, I'm going back to the PfP rules they previewed and trying to work out what is even going on with the new table.

Turn 1: 6++. So an outright nerf that helps basically nothing and hurts everything.

Turn 2: Advance and Charge. Okay, this change is actually positive.

Turn 3: +1 to hit in melee, Vehicles can shoot Heavy Weapons in melee without penalty. Still nothing to help ranged units outside of this one, really niche circumstance. As far as I'm aware, the only Heavy weapon on any of our vehicles is the new Splinter Cannon. Unless this is actually a stealth-nerf and Dark Lances and Disintegrators no longer count as Assault weapons when mounted on our vehicles?

Turn 4: A 5++ save. Far too late in the game for it to matter, let alone be of any tactical benefit. And if our units have all lost their invulnerable saves to make this (and the turn 1 ability) matter, then this is just a crushing nerf disguised as a buff.

Turn 5: Fearless and counts as having double-wounds for damage table purposes. How many large squads do you still have alive by turn 5? Also we have, what, two units in our entire book with damage tables?

In short, the table just seems to be a bit of a mess. Aspects of the old table have been improved on the surface (most notably Advance and Charge), but much of the new stuff seems niche at best. What's more, we've also lost army-wide FNP, and the fact that invulnerable saves are now on the table imply many of our units have lost those as well. Hence, rather than being a bonus, FNP has become a crutch for us. And if we take any allies, we don't even get that.

At best, having two different invulnerable save mechanics on the table just seems wasteful.

harlokin wrote:

Well to be fair, you either buy it or you don't play Drukhari. At least, that's the boat I'm in.

Definitely no other way to get those rules.

Skulnbonz wrote:

Agonite is the only rule I think has merit, but with GW removing FNP left and right, it may not be as useful as armies are released.

C'tan will hate it.

One info for matched play is also indirectly in the article. If Soul Trap is now a requisition the stratagem will be gone. I liked the stratagem, it was a competitive one, but when a archon with hatred eternal or famed savagery and the djin blade managed to kill two characters and afterwards shreds even tanks, the expression on the face of your opponent is just priceless.