Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex

Cerve wrote:

Pippolele wrote:

Why would reavers bring heat lances without heavy penalties?

Because they're <bikes>, and the -1 by moving is only for <Infantry> units. 9th rules.


So yeah, making those guns Heavy it's a way to say "hey, Talos and Reavers will use them at they BS".
You can pick 10 reavers (avoiding Blast effects), bring in 3 Heat lances, moving upon an INFANTRY unit, pop up Eviscerating Fly By (that now triggers on 4+ and you don't need to advance), dish out 5 MW on an Infantry (maybe an Infantry CHARACTER), shoot with 3 HeatLances at BS3+, and then even charge.

Yeah this Codex has a lot of (not so much neither) hidden tricks.

I mean, Talos and Reavers could still use them at their BS when they were Assault weapons, too...

Splintermind is pretty big, especially on Bikes and Razorwings.

Another trick is that Lelith seems to be good at catching heavy weapons in melee. Charge the screen, kill a model, move at least 12" closer, the consolidation moves from fighting twice. In you next turn you can switch to fallback and charge if you want to shoot whatever she tagged.

Azdrubael wrote:

So, Helions and Reavers both got +1 atack. Helions got AP -1. Does it make them good?

Hellions also got +1T and +1W. All of that together, plus drugs, probably makes them pretty good.

Did anyone notice how insane the Trypitch Whip got? It's +3 attacks, Poison 2+, AP-3, 2 damage.

Succubus also has 6 attacks now.

That's without drugs or Warlord traits. Let that sink in.

Koldan wrote:

Another trick is that Lelith seems to be good at catching heavy weapons in melee. Charge the screen, kill a model, move at least 12" closer, the consolidation moves from fighting twice. In you next turn you can switch to fallback and charge if you want to shoot whatever she tagged.

There's a lot of talk about consolidation moves and I think people are confusing pile-ins with consolidation, the two are very different and the timing is crucial.

Pile-ins happen pre-combat and the other is after the combat phase ends.

https://imgur.com/a/2EYHkEW

First time I use it. It is the italian Codex. Hope it works.

Stratagems.


Basically I have nearly all the codex in pics.

If i read Lelith rules correct, if enemy dont plan for her, they wont be able to even fight her.

She charges, fight when models who charged fight, kill some models, consolidate away from combat, wait till enemy can activate, then at the end of the fight phase activate again, pile-in, fight again. No place here where enemy can fight.

She basically fight and enemy do not.

And next turn she fight first, again. And the turn after that, because of Cult of Strife rules. And if enemy want to fall back, they need to roll of with her because of no escape.

Consolidating away from combat is a powerfull trick, i tried that with Malkan Feirros.

HERO wrote:

Splintermind is pretty big, especially on Bikes and Razorwings.

Do Razorwings get combat drugs, even if they are assigned to Wych Cult?

Are hellions better?

They got -1 ap, +1 attack, +1 wound, and +1 T.
So, they got a little better, yeah.

Wait, what? I totally missed that. They are T4 and 2W? Thats insane. They are totally better. Damn.  I got 15. They can take drugs and be T5? Ehm...kinda unexpected.

krayd wrote:

HERO wrote:

Splintermind is pretty big, especially on Bikes and Razorwings.

Do Razorwings get combat drugs, even if they are assigned to Wych Cult?

Sorry, should have typed more and finished my thought.

Not Razorwings, the bikes do.

Custom cults gives us +1 to wound on monsters and vehicles as well through Test of Skill. So you can totally take a Wych cult with tons of Bikes and have Razorwings benefit from ToS just like they are now.

For Bikes, they would have +1 to hit (vs everything) with shooting and +1 to wound vs. monsters/vehicles. It's nuts dude.

HERO wrote:

krayd wrote:

HERO wrote:

Splintermind is pretty big, especially on Bikes and Razorwings.

Do Razorwings get combat drugs, even if they are assigned to Wych Cult?

Sorry, should have typed more and finished my thought.

Not Razorwings, the bikes do.

Custom cults gives us +1 to wound on monsters and vehicles as well through Test of Skill. So you can totally take a Wych cult with tons of Bikes and have Razorwings benefit from ToS just like they are now.

For Bikes, they would have +1 to hit (vs everything) with shooting and +1 to wound vs. monsters/vehicles. It's nuts dude.

ToS now works on melee attacks only.

Yeah I think most of the custom cults look like a pass now. Old ToS was only ever a band aid until old DoT became all the rage. With the new traits and cult units being stronger, the big three cults all look relatively solid.

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

Yeah I think most of the custom cults look like a pass now. Old ToS was only ever a band aid until old DoT became all the rage. With the new traits and cult units being stronger, the big three cults all look relatively solid.

Strife is just too good. Damn...it's amazing. Always fight first, it's basically a Slaanesh Army.
And they have the strongest "fight twice/shoot twice" stratagem of the game. Just 2 CP, no triggers, select one Strife unit and just fire/fight a second time.
You can cast it once per round tho.




And we still have to read the Strife Supplement from the campaign

DevilDoll wrote:

Axmar wrote:

The Haemonxytes look very interesting to me (upgraded Wracks), especially with prophets of flesh.
You get toughness 4 (or 5 if haemonculus nearby), get wounded on 4+ at best (if strength below 8 ), 5+ invul becoming 4+ if you survive till round 4 (maybe round 3 using a stratagem). In addition to that, you get a 5+ feel no pain, and d3 models can be brought back to life by the master Haemonculus. Cherry on the cake, you ignore the first failed save !

sorry must have missed something how does the 5 invun become 4...? PfP just gives you flat 5 invun at round 4 no?

Actually the Haemonxytes have a +1 bonus to their invulnerable saves, so they start at 5++.

It's kinda depressing that our characters are still completely reliant on relics and warlord traits to be worth a damn.

Oh but there's now a Master upgrade for each . . . except that it just amounts to "take this upgrade as well or go home" because characters without that upgrade serve no purpose (not just because of what it gives them but because it's the only way to access Troops: Good Version).

This seems like the absolute worst way to apply this sort of upgrade.


And I get it, there's good stuff in the new book. I just find it depressing that GW can't ever give us anything decent without also delivering several hard kicks in the groin.

Soulless Samurai wrote:

It's kinda depressing that our characters are still completely reliant on relics and warlord traits to be worth a damn.

Like every other wortlhy Character in this game.

I mean, every-single-reallygood-character in this game have some sort of promotion/trait/relic.



So...yeah, it's the game dude you're just keeping see kicks in the groin that don't exists!

Cerve wrote:

https://imgur.com/a/2EYHkEW

First time I use it. It is the italian Codex. Hope it works.

Stratagems.


Basically I have nearly all the codex in pics.

Is there a 'Lightning Fast Reactions' equivalent? And is it worded in a way that can stack with a -1 to hit mod (like reducing enemy BS)?

Skulnbonz wrote:

Ripper.McGuirl wrote:

In which sheet? The english scourges says plasma in both places.

https://i.imgur.com/cTiPXv4.jpg

This sheet
the english one.

Look at the top with what each is armed with.
then at the bottom where the keywords are.
The info box has the plasma grenade stats, so I assume that is the correct one unless there is a rule we are missing here.

This will be like the melta bomb in the marine dex, units with the key word can use the strat.

krayd wrote:

Cerve wrote:

https://imgur.com/a/2EYHkEW

First time I use it. It is the italian Codex. Hope it works.

Stratagems.


Basically I have nearly all the codex in pics.

Is there a 'Lightning Fast Reactions' equivalent? And is it worded in a way that can stack with a -1 to hit mod (like reducing enemy BS)?

There is Lightning Fast Reaction itself, and it cost 1 CP now! ("Reazioni fulminee")
But Fire and Fade costs 2 CP. ("Mai fermi")

There are points tag for upgrade. For HQs its 15-20. Troops are +2.

benmet wrote:

Skulnbonz wrote:

Ripper.McGuirl wrote:

In which sheet? The english scourges says plasma in both places.

https://i.imgur.com/cTiPXv4.jpg

This sheet
the english one.

Look at the top with what each is armed with.
then at the bottom where the keywords are.
The info box has the plasma grenade stats, so I assume that is the correct one unless there is a rule we are missing here.

This will be like the melta bomb in the marine dex, units with the key word can use the strat.

It's the same as the haywire greneade stratagems in the old Codex. It just calls for a <HAYWIRE GRENEADE> unit, instead of "one model with plasma greneades".
"Pick 1 model on the unit, 1 single hit roll, if hit deals D3 MW".
Another wording, same stratagem.

Big thing : there's a stratagem for 2CP to make poison weapon work on vehicles (but not on titans). Imagine this with the Kabal of the poisoned tongue ...
Edit : it's called Metallotossine potenti (powerful metalotoxins?) and yes, If I'm not mistaken, for 2CP poison tongue will wound vehicles on 3+...

Cerve wrote:

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

Yeah I think most of the custom cults look like a pass now. Old ToS was only ever a band aid until old DoT became all the rage. With the new traits and cult units being stronger, the big three cults all look relatively solid.

Strife is just too good. Damn...it's amazing. Always fight first, it's basically a Slaanesh Army.
And they have the strongest "fight twice/shoot twice" stratagem of the game. Just 2 CP, no triggers, select one Strife unit and just fire/fight a second time.
You can cast it once per round tho.

And we still have to read the Strife Supplement from the campaign

It's good but it's still a tossup. Red grief extra speed and reliable charges is great, and cursed blade hanging out with s5 wyches and 6s reflecting damage back is solid too. But yeah we do need to see what extra toys strife will get in the supplement.