Apparently... we're next.

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Morathi has always struck deals with demonic entities even if it might not have been slaanesh itself (since that was retconned into Khaine I think). Does not mean she was not a worshipper of Khaine as wel? Besides she is queen of a people, even if some of those might be more pleasure cultists and others are more blood cultists.

Morathi, as well as other Sorceresses, did indeed mingle with Chaos demons.
The Khaine cults, however, were their most hated rivals in the political scheem. So having Slaanesh demons in the DE society wouldn't be a surprize, but in the Khaine cult ? I don't buy it, sorry.

+, If I remember correctly End Times, it was revealed that Morathi was a traitor to the nation, and that she was the one that causes the fire of Assuryan to reject her son. She basically burned her son alive to cause a civil war in the Elven kingdom, to serve her Chaotic patrons. She has no right to be in power in the current kingdom, and even less right to institute some half-demon monster in a place of authority.

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I think the snake part stems from the religious association of snakes with corruption and (involuntary) seduction.

Morathi has always struck deals with demonic entities even if it might not have been slaanesh itself (since that was retconned into Khaine I think). Does not mean she was not a worshipper of Khaine as wel? Besides she is queen of a people, even if some of those might be more pleasure cultists and others are more blood cultists.

That’s interesting. And Yeah you’re right about her striking pacts with entities other than Slaanesh and such - I don’t believe that was retconned. I mean, hell, it was implied that necromancers struck pacts with chaos and other such entities while still having independence from the ruinous powers (although, they heavily implied that necromancers were “damned” after death - which makes it even more interesting.)

In any case I think the new models, snake like or not will be awesome for Dark Eldar... could imagine a Succubus/Archon with an Obsession with snakes to hire a Haemonculus to craft her a snake-like fleshform. Or even want to make her body like Fulgrim - in either mockery or macabre admiration.

That being said, the massive snake witch elf model would make and AMAZING demon primarch Fulgrim Conversion.

Morathi was swallowed by Slaanesh, but managed to fight her way out of their belly by being more badass than anything. It doesn't say whether she burst out of Slaans like an alien, came out of their mouth, or escaped through the other end, but since the gods are more or less abstract entities it probably doesn't matter, although it would really add to the reasons why she now hates Slaanesh and Chaos so much. Apparently her snake form is the result of spending an eternity in slaaneshi digestion Hell.

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Morathi was swallowed by Slaanesh, but managed to fight her way out of their belly by being more badass than anything. It doesn't say whether she burst out of Slaans like an alien

Imagine if that had been the cover of the book.

The Shredder wrote:

Barking Agatha wrote:

Morathi was swallowed by Slaanesh, but managed to fight her way out of their belly by being more badass than anything. It doesn't say whether she burst out of Slaans like an alien

Imagine if that had been the cover of the book.

Alas, too heavy metal for the 2010s.

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or escaped through the other end

*Insert random comment about how this would have been the perfect symbol for how GW is handling their IP.

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or escaped through the other end

*Insert random comment about how this would have been the perfect symbol for how GW is handling their IP.

*Insert random comment about how this is far too pessimistic and that you need to change your tone for not agreeing with *insert random goer of this forum

*semi good natured chiding to bring this spiral of body image and aos lore back on topic*

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Mppqlmd wrote:

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or escaped through the other end

*Insert random comment about how this would have been the perfect symbol for how GW is handling their IP.

*Insert random comment about how this is far too pessimistic and that you need to change your tone for not agreeing with *insert random goer of this forum

Are you enjoying your new codex, released soon after they annonced them? Yeah, me too...

Seriously, if they'd have just told us the bloody release order I wouldn't be nearly so disappointed with the slow pace. If I know I'm waiting until April then so be it, just tell me that's the case already!

Don't worry. A second wave of space marine heroes and a space marine board game is on its way to relieve your wait for the codex..

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Seriously, if they'd have just told us the bloody release order I wouldn't be nearly so disappointed with the slow pace. If I know I'm waiting until April then so be it, just tell me that's the case already!

Yep. The LVO announcement (in January!) made it sound like the three codexes were going to come out in the next couple of weeks.

That we're actually looking at a release three months later is a tremendous disappointment, especially given how fast paced the codex releases have been up until now.

"They've been waiting since 5th edition for a codex, they can wait a few more months.

Space marines players, on the other hand, have the attention span of a 2 year old and must be fed new content every week".

There have been a few comments (can't recall if here or elsewhere) regarding a Necron v Space Marines board game.

Has that been announced, or did people get hyped over the Necrony game-board of the multi-coloured "Space Marine Adventure" set?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/02/19/new-games-new-york/

Ikol wrote:

There have been a few comments (can't recall if here or elsewhere) regarding a Necron v Space Marines board game.

Has that been announced, or did people get hyped over the Necrony game-board of the multi-coloured "Space Marine Adventure" set?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/02/19/new-games-new-york/

That is the Necron vs Space Marines board game...?

I see marines but where are the Next in?

Our index is highly competitive
With lists I've made I consider a new Meta exists for Dark Eldar and I've made and designed lists for this
The problem is none of you are really testing alot of different units most likely due to cost or see this
Having read comments on this forum my opinion is alot of people are stuck in 7th Ed also with fixation on specific units
I think Skari himself either knows what I know or is in the dark
His tactica armies he uses for tourns are not clear and I think he's keeping it to him self possibly
After a major NZ tourn is done in April after Easter I'll show u the new Dark Eldar Meta to the forum and u tube
I expect the new codex will not change this
As people are not playing what GW has offered us so you don't see this
I've won all except one game using lesser builds
I then devised a new DE Meta and
I came 2nd in a mini tourn running a lesser DE meta list
Only losing to a TAu drone spam list due to my deployment error
My list was fine
So running at 30% of what I could to 110%
I'm confident of owning any army
Currently there is no counter build for it
TAU might have a chance but we'll see
I'll update further once our major Tourn is done

Are you trolling? I seriously cant tell.

B,c if you are saying i havent "test" all the units then you are 100% wrong, and if you are saying i havent played enough, i assure you i have played MUCH more of 8th than you have (I literally have a 24/7 open playing club that im there sometimes at 3am, other times a 5pm, etc..)

I have played every unit, i do play comp levels (I literally just tried a list against the Top BA list and going to again soon).

No Major tournament has DE in top 50.

What is your "Magic" tournament list then? Show us.

PS: Name your tournaments? So i can look them/you up on BCP

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Our index is highly competitive

Being generous, we were above average in the meta when it was Index Only play. To say that a DE list can compare against a Guilluman Celestine soup or Dark Reaper list is kinda laughable.

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With lists I've made I consider a new Meta exists for Dark Eldar and I've made and designed lists for this

Sure there's a new meta. Dark Lance spam. If there's some revolutionary secret you have, I'd encourage you to share it, not make vague statements.

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The problem is none of you are really testing alot of different units most likely due to cost or see this

I think the spreadsheet mapping the cost effectiveness of our entire army would disagree.

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Having read comments on this forum my opinion is alot of people are stuck in 7th Ed also with fixation on specific units

Fixated on what units, exactly? I don't recall seeing Mandrakes in too many lists 7th Ed, and they're one of our best units now? Haywire Scourges aren't even used for a casual game against Necrons, and those were a pretty large part of the meta last edition.

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After a major NZ tourn is done in April after Easter I'll show u the new Dark Eldar Meta to the forum and u tube

After the codex is slated to be released by even the most pessimistic projections..?

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I've won all except one game using lesser builds
I then devised a new DE Meta and
I came 2nd in a mini tourn running a lesser DE meta list
Only losing to a TAu drone spam list due to my deployment error

No offense to your accomplishments, good on you for preforming so well, but a mini-tournament is not meta defining. I don't think I've seen even a hint of DE anywhere close to the top tables.

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Currently there is no counter build for it
TAU might have a chance but we'll see

No offense against you, again, but Tau aren't doing so hot right now. Commander spam is good, but it's on its way out of the meta, as things like the Blood Angel's release and Dark Reapers outgun it.

Yeah, dark eldar aren't in a good setting for sure. Winning small local metas is one thing, winning events like the LVO with a meta defining list would be a whole other story.

In the words of the webs, pics or didn't happen

That new Space Marines vs. Necrons game has potential, but I'm scared that GW just hopped on the bandwagon for some other really popular board games that recently came out.

Is anyone here familiar with the "Haunted House on the Hill" or "Baldur's Gate" boardgames? This new GW game looks very similar.

My friends recently picked them up and they are an absolute blast to play! to quickly summarize the Baldur's gate aka Dungeons and Dragons version:

-up to 6 players
-Each character has a class, warrior, druid, bard, etc that has a special ability. Each class has 4 main stats. Intelligence, Strength, Dexterity and wisdom.
-Everyone starts in the tavern and takes turns moving.
-Upon moving, you can discover locations that are connected to the tavern, or from the tavern you can go to the basement and explore down there.
-Each tile is randomly chosen from a shuffled pile of like ~50-60 tiles, so that no play-through is the same.
-each tile causes something special to happen, either an event, an omen, etc.
-Through these, you get stat increases/decreases, ambushed by magical creatures, powerful weapons, etc.
-Eventually, enough bad omens occur and dice are rolled so that the end-game starts happening. A player is chosen to be the "traitor" who then starts using 1 of 100 different end-game situations to try and kill the other players before they themselves are killed.

I've been the traitor several times now and it's some really really cool scenarios.
-I've turned into a demon and the other members have to hunt the cultists who are protecting me with a magically powered ward.
-Slime Lord grants me power and ability to place explosive slime in various rooms.
-Necromancer powers to summon a death knight and raise killed part members.

All in all, it's great fun, but I have no idea how GW will be able to make something like that with just Space Marines and Necrons.

I'm not out to insult any one or Troll
Just my experience from reading on Dark Eldar forums and FB groups is that they focus on old 7th Ed units ignoring GWs 8th Ed meta and the changing scene
I've played 40-50 games losing two
I've played in different cities against varying people
I've beaten dark reaper spam
You can beat them without my enhanced list
3 voidravens can sort that out if you get 1st turn or with ravagrs
There are varying ways of playing but 1st turn is critical with certain lists like reapers
An example but not my strongest is using 140 KWs or 100 Wyches
Large blocks of kbs with DL and Blasters is hard to get rid of in cover and spread out no where to deep strike
X5 or 6 of twenty guys takes time to get rid of
Add in flyers or Ravagers etc to that
I had one 20 block of guys kill magnus
Same with wyches in 20s
You can split into multiple 10s also
Half army should be shooting other HTH is what I work with
There are ways and builds
If you take 100 wyches plus Reapers flyers etc take up other half
Basic example but not what I'm using in my superbuild
All I read about often is someone saying take a venom with blaster born , venom this venom that
Splinter cannons are a waste of points
Take a raider
The -1 is not worth it vs durability in my opinion given all the codex buff rerolls other armies get
Any I'll post more etc once NATCON is done in April

I like this guy he's crazy like a fox.

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I've beaten dark reaper spam
You can beat them without my enhanced list
3 voidravens can sort that out if you get 1st turn or with ravagrs

Three Voidravens using their void mine, plus two Dark Scythes, plus missiles (582 Points), will kill about 31.5 Reapers (850.5 Points) out of cover. This is, admittedly impressive, however, there's several things to consider.
1) You're only getting first turn 50-60% of the time, depending on how many units you deploy. Hinging your strategy on something with a 40% fail rate at best is risky, as those Reapers will slaughter those planes.

2) Of the 31.5 Unsaved wounds, 20 of them are coming from the void mines. My calculations were made assuming squad sizes of 10, if your opponent is running MSU tactics of 3 or 5 your damage drops off significantly. (20 wounds drops to 6 and 10 respectively.) In addition, those are one use weapons. Did your opponent bring more than three 10 man squads? You're SOL.

3) Reapers, in my experience, start on the field in a Wave Serpent. Three Voidravens in the exact same loadout will do about 14 wounds total to a Serpent..so..you kill one. And, if you think to kill the Serpent first, then shoot the Reapers inside, remember that two thirds of the damage is coming from a weapon that has to be used in the movement phase, when the Reapers aren't on the table.

I'm sorry, but this strategy is hard countered by a unit that's already going to be included in a Craftworld list to begin with.

Absolutely that's why I play a stronger list
I won that game but it was who went first and it showed me how weak a low model count army is
An army needs numbers to take the hits is an important point
Plus you need either an impressive alpha strike or good long term game
Reapers with 2-3 dam per hit is wasted on single point models
So if you have lots of models with single hit they are absolutely wasting theere shots
Is lascannons on conscripts