Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex

The post does seem to indicate that raiding force might be changing. Thats something I am interested in. I really want my 4th ed Kabal/Wych mix going again, and if I can do it in a Battalion, save on an HQ, and scrounge together the points for a succi transport (or not have to because our transports are getting a capacity upgrade come on GW this is insane!), then I'll bite. Right now, with current points and a raiding force, I am really struggling to slot in everything I want. Though, honestly, I think me and my friends are thinking of 3000 or 2500 pt armies anyway.

WrackYourBrains wrote:

I’ve been relatively optimistic about the new book so far.  With the power creep that’s been happening in the 9e codexes so far it would be seriously odd if ours were to be just a copy paste job. I’ll still be amazed if we don’t get army-specific secondaries, updated relics and updated obsessions. But I am starting to worry that they’ll make no sense and won’t bring anything useful to the table.

Yeah, they'll definitely have that stuff in there. Good or bad the book will have those cause that is the minimum standard for all codexes so far. I do now suspect though that there won't be the stepwise difference between our current codex and the new one as we saw with other books in 9th.

When they announced the book I had hopes for meaningful poison buffs, mobility and damage increases on many if not most units and strong fluffy secondaries. I also hoped for a reworked power from pain, reworked army building and a new set of more impactful stratagems but I thought these might be unlikely given past experience.

Many of these hopes are still there but with each new teaser they get smaller. I still think we'll see at least one strong secondary, good damage increases on many units but I think we'll remain at our current mobility level, much of the stratagems will be largely ported to the new 9th language without much change, poison will remain almost entirely the same, army building will be tweaked but still limit us from using all our datasheets in the way other factions do and power from pain will hopefully at least see some of the buffs changed.

Skulnbonz wrote:

Hey now! The cronos getting an extra attack, bringing it to 4, count em, 4 attacks that hit on 4's means we might get 2 str 5  ap-1 hits on an enemy model!

This made me think of a SpongeBob looking cronos screaming "AND NOW WITH 2, count em, 2 .... mashmallows"

As for hellions ... I have this weird feeling ... no justifiable reason for it, but a weird feeling that they, reavers, and beastmaster will end up with an additional wound ... and I hate this feeling, it's like hope is trying to find the most outlandish and crazy reason to exist ... to the point its making things up ...

The Strange Dark One wrote:

Looks like they finally got wind of the Psychic Awakening mistake. Now it reads:
Alongside the pick of those from the current Drukhari codex, the new codex features a whole host of new Stratagems.

Oh, but they didn't catch their mistake. We did. Shh.. we're being watched.

'Boy, have you heard about the new Drukhari Codex? It's going to be the best codex ever! Every page is going to be printed on genuine paper! With words, and pictures! It will have rules, and lore, and stratagems, and other things that codices have! Without a doubt, the Drukhari are perfect just the way they are, and GW is the absolute best, and no one here has a single word of complaint, no sir!'

(Do you hear? The shadows, they are waaatching.)

Dusting off my optimism hat, it's entirely possible that some poor WarCom employee pretty much got told "We gotta keep up hype for the DE codex, write a mid-length article on them. No, you can't reveal any rules. No, you can't hint at anything new we've got planned. We've got all that scheduled for Preview Week, just figure something out."

And the poor employee, tasked with generating hype without revealing anything hype-worthy on short notice produced...this.

TheBaconPope wrote:

Dusting off my optimism hat, it's entirely possible that some poor WarCom employee pretty much got told "We gotta keep up hype for the DE codex, write a mid-length article on them. No, you can't reveal any rules. No, you can't hint at anything new we've got planned. We've got all that scheduled for Preview Week, just figure something out."

And the poor employee, tasked with generating hype without revealing anything hype-worthy on short notice produced...this.

I think this is exactly how that went.

TheBaconPope wrote:

Dusting off my optimism hat, it's entirely possible that some poor WarCom employee pretty much got told "We gotta keep up hype for the DE codex, write a mid-length article on them. No, you can't reveal any rules. No, you can't hint at anything new we've got planned. We've got all that scheduled for Preview Week, just figure something out."

And the poor employee, tasked with generating hype without revealing anything hype-worthy on short notice produced...this.

Perhaps. But I think it still speaks volumes that they extolled how Dark Eldar would be keeping their Blood of the Phoenix Stratagems.

Dark Eldar got Stratagems in Blood of the Phoenix, right? They must have done. Every faction got new stratagems in Psychic Awakening.

Surely even if it was an absolute minimum-effort book, they still would have...

...oh.


Yeah, don't worry, I'm editing that part out as we speak...

Soulless Samurai wrote:

TheBaconPope wrote:

Dusting off my optimism hat, it's entirely possible that some poor WarCom employee pretty much got told "We gotta keep up hype for the DE codex, write a mid-length article on them. No, you can't reveal any rules. No, you can't hint at anything new we've got planned. We've got all that scheduled for Preview Week, just figure something out."

And the poor employee, tasked with generating hype without revealing anything hype-worthy on short notice produced...this.

Perhaps. But I think it still speaks volumes that they extolled how Dark Eldar would be keeping their Blood of the Phoenix Stratagems.

Dark Eldar got Stratagems in Blood of the Phoenix, right? They must have done. Every faction got new stratagems in Psychic Awakening.

Surely even if it was an absolute minimum-effort book, they still would have...

...oh.


Yeah, don't worry, I'm editing that part out as we speak...

Oh yeah, BotP was useless save for Dark Technomancers, no two ways about it. I'm not optimistic for the codex either, and I agree that our iconic form of pessimism is, still, well founded. This specific example might just be a rushed bit of poor writing with an undercurrent of bitter emptiness...rather than the usual affair where bitter emptiness takes center stage.

TheBaconPope wrote:

Oh yeah, BotP was useless save for Dark Technomancers, no two ways about it. I'm not optimistic for the codex either, and I agree that our iconic form of pessimism is, still, well founded. This specific example might just be a rushed bit of poor writing with an undercurrent of bitter emptiness...rather than the usual affair where bitter emptiness takes center stage.

Don't forget that BotP was where Drazhar became useful again.

taking into account this issue in the article, and taking into account the fact that (as far as i know) we where the only faction with a problem regarding our points (the reavers at 10pts and the issue with the minimum size)......i think this adds a little bit of munition to all those naysayers who claims that DE indeed do not receive the attention they deserve.....

Again.....i know we look closely at everything DE and a little bit less the other factions, but does someone is aware if those issues made their appearance for other factions?

DevilDoll wrote:

i feel strange... is that... GOD DAMN it is that optimism again?
Soulless Samurai, Skulnbonz, Azrael somebody dudez help me out here ^_^

I got your back!
I will not bring you back to the dark side with predictions of the future...
I will simply point out facts from the changes we already know!

We wanted splinter cannons ap-1 and damage 2. They said Fine, and gave it to us with half the shots, and -1 to hit if on an infantry model that moved, AND made it non rerollable with flayed skull.

We wanted more attacks, so they gave us +1 attack on wyches and took their extra attack away from their blades (99%). They did NOT give the extra attack to our Incubi, but to make up for it they gave it to our venoms and warriors and the cronos! Yay! Our hellions they gave +1 attack to, but then jacked up the price on the unit no one ever took except for the rule of cool.

We wanted faster vehicles. HA!
we want more vehicle capacity- I would bet money that that answer is HA! too
Vect? Double Ha!
ANY new units, even bringing back the duke, baron, etc? HA!

and the one model.. the one resculpt of a model we already have, turns out to be the ugly stepsister to the model it was supposed to replace.


We do, however, get to keep all the stratagems we got in pheonix rising as well as the ones we have in the marine codex, the new necron book and the ones printed in last weeks sunday paper.

How can anyone look at this pile of mediocrity and say they are excited for the release?
Do not let a few shiny pictures fool you.
Wait for rules.

And I think most people agree, ALL of the rules, every last one we have seen released so far... are mediocre at best.

Codex Supplement: Cult of Strife in Warzone Charadon vol. 1

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/12/get-a-first-
look-inside-the-book-of-rust/


Hmm!

So Mechanicus and Knights are the next codices? Interesting choice to tease/release (maybe) a codex supplement before the codex. Begs the question why the rules aren't in the codex. As we're not space marines I'm not expecting we'll get anymore supplements (like in 7th ed)

But hey, new shiny big campaign book for 40 bucks and this time, the Dark Eldar are mentioned AND even get rules, unlike Vigilus lol

AzraeI wrote:

So Mechanicus and Knights are the next codices? Interesting choice to tease/release (maybe) a codex supplement before the codex. Begs the question why the rules aren't in the codex. As we're not space marines I'm not expecting we'll get anymore supplements (like in 7th ed)

But hey, new shiny big campaign book for 40 bucks and this time, the Dark Eldar are mentioned AND even get rules, unlike Vigilus lol

(Looking at my Vigilus book) D'oh!

Heck, at least this one will be of use for my next campaign UNLIKE VIGILUS.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/12/get-a-first-look-inside-the-book-of-rust/

Weirdly enough, I always assumed that the Lelith-box would be released with the Charadon-book, not with our codex. The only point I had against that was that it seemed unlikely for cult of Strife to be featured in a supplement rather than the codex.
But somehow I was wrong on Both Accounts.

Eldur wrote:

Codex Supplement: Cult of Strife in Warzone Charadon vol. 1

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/12/get-a-first-
look-inside-the-book-of-rust/

Honestly, this gives me 0 faith whatsoever.

If anything, it would seem to indicate how detrimental the current DE rules are - not just in general but also for supplements.

With Chaos, GW can expand a subfaction (e.g. World Bearers) and that subfaction will be usable by any Chaos army. Maybe it will lean into certain units more but (outside of a few faction-locked special characters) it can make use of any units in the Chaos codex.

However, when Dark Eldar gets a supplement, it's actually a sub-subfaction and thus is literally unusable for at least 2/3 of the codex.

If the Strife supplement follows the same principle as the Marine Codex there's even a good chance that Lelith's rules won't be in the codex

I'm impressed how much GW is trying to push Wych Cults. But perhaps this could be a sign that Wych Cult heavy forces become more viable? There's certainly a lot of potential.

AzraeI wrote:

If the Strife supplement follows the same principle as the Marine Codex there's even a good chance that Lelith's rules won't be in the codex

Except that this isn't a stand alone suplement like the Marine codices. It's a section in a campaign book.

So she'll definitely be in the main book. Completely different principle.

Keep in mind this supplement was supposed to originally come out with the death guard codex in terms of timing. (i think). So this was supposed to be a teaser for a month or so before out codex came out as opposed to a replacement for the codex.

Soulless Samurai wrote:

Honestly, this gives me 0 faith whatsoever.

If anything, it would seem to indicate how detrimental the current DE rules are - not just in general but also for supplements.

/.../
However, when Dark Eldar gets a supplement, it's actually a sub-subfaction and thus is literally unusable for at least 2/3 of the codex.

I mean, isn’t that idea based mostly based on how the current codex works?
We don’t know how subfaction interactions will change in the new codex. Nor how these supplemental rules will interact with the rest of our new ’dex.

Honestly, it makes me a bit curious as to what this means for subfactions in the main ’dex.
Will there be a rotation of which cults/covens/kabals that are given rules in it? Will there be no more three-subfaction-divide, and instead just ”pick one [kabal] obsession, everyone gets it”, like for everyone else?

Silverglade wrote:

 

Keep in mind this supplement was supposed to originally come out with the death guard codex in terms of timing.   (i think).   So this was supposed to be a teaser for a month or so before out codex came out as opposed to a replacement for the codex.

So this would have dropped before ourcodex?

after reading the article, i'm still confused.....will there be rules we will be able to use in matched play or all the book contains only stuff for campaign and crusade?
If i only play matched play.....does this book will be required to have access to every rules and strats available?

AzraeI wrote:

Silverglade wrote:

 

Keep in mind this supplement was supposed to originally come out with the death guard codex in terms of timing.   (i think).   So this was supposed to be a teaser for a month or so before out codex came out as opposed to a replacement for the codex.

So this would have dropped before ourcodex?

Entirely possible - it still seems to be dropping before the Ad Mech and Knight Codexes, after all.

@Kalmah - these rules are for matched play. They probably won't be necessary to run a Drukhari army but will give you additional options if you want to include Cult of Strife in your list.

thanks for the clear reply Burnage Strife was already a really good cult so.....will probably need it i'll go trade some mtg cards lol