Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex

I'm just here looking for leaks....

sweetbacon wrote:

I’m not going to hazard a guess about what this does or does not mean for our codex.  But I will say I feel a little insulted over this piss poor excuse for a preview week.  I don’t recall any other faction with a ninth edition codex having their preview week wasted on trifling b.s. like ours has been.  I’m sure lots of people play and enjoy Crusade and they’re happy with this preview but the overwhelming majority of us play Matched Play rules so this “preview” might as well have been for AoS or Blood Bowl for all the good it does us.  DG and DA both had huge rules dumps in the days leading up to their preorders, so much so that it was very easy to judge the strength of their books well before the review embargo lifted on Saturday.  Less than 48 hours away from our embargo lifting and I have no idea if the book will be decent or not.  

Okay, I do understand your point, but...
Every other faction so far has had a Crusade article for their preview week. That's just a thing Games Workshop does for 9e factions. I'm not sure what kind of memory hole that's getting stuffed into here that's making some posters here so surprised and disappointed.

It's been an anemic week to be sure, just to be clear. Just saying that a day of Crusade rules isn't what's to blame for that.
We're not uniquely badly off, though. Space Wolves and Deathwatch both also got one article plus one crusade article just like what we've had so far - though granted, the puppies and the watch shared a preview week.

TheBaconPope wrote:

I wouldn't say revealing Crusade rules is a wasted article. But I agree that this has been an outstandingly poor release week.

The purpose of these WarCom articles is to encourage people to pre-order the codex and buy up models in anticipation of the release.

Show of hands, out of those here passionate enough about DE to be engaging in a 70 page thread on an obscure internet forum, how many of you are sufficiently hyped about this book that you're going to be pre-ordering/buying a substantial amount of product? I can pretty confidently say I'm not.

I have been shown an archon upgrade and his crew of boys, trades on pfp, wych cult buff, and " relics exist"

TheBaconPope wrote:

I wouldn't say revealing Crusade rules is a wasted article. But I agree that this has been an outstandingly poor release week.

The purpose of these WarCom articles is to encourage people to pre-order the codex and buy up models in anticipation of the release.

Show of hands, out of those here passionate enough about DE to be engaging in a 70 page thread on an obscure internet forum, how many of you are sufficiently hyped about this book that you're going to be pre-ordering/buying a substantial amount of product? I can pretty confidently say I'm not.

Oh, honestly, I was never going to be preordering.

Dont preorder, guys.

No, seriously, dont preorder.

Never, ever, ever preorder anything.

What is this, the 2010 release of Modern Warfare?

Stop telling companies that preorders, pre-releases and bloody early access is ok. Its not. Its anti-consumer bullshit.

I am excited to see some of the rules changes, but I dont, personally, know enough to buy more stock. I think I know what I want, but I will wait until full release, buy the PDF, then decide.

albions-angel wrote:

TheBaconPope wrote:

I wouldn't say revealing Crusade rules is a wasted article. But I agree that this has been an outstandingly poor release week.

The purpose of these WarCom articles is to encourage people to pre-order the codex and buy up models in anticipation of the release.

Show of hands, out of those here passionate enough about DE to be engaging in a 70 page thread on an obscure internet forum, how many of you are sufficiently hyped about this book that you're going to be pre-ordering/buying a substantial amount of product? I can pretty confidently say I'm not.

Oh, honestly, I was never going to be preordering.

Dont preorder, guys.

No, seriously, dont preorder.

Never, ever, ever preorder anything.

What is this, the 2010 release of Modern Warfare?

Stop telling companies that preorders, pre-releases and bloody early access is ok. Its not. Its anti-consumer bullshit.

I am excited to see some of the rules changes, but I dont, personally, know enough to buy more stock. I think I know what I want, but I will wait until full release, buy the PDF, then decide.

Oh I learned that lesson a while back.

Spent the full 60 pre-ordering No Man's Sky. After all its development, I no longer regret the purchase, but nope, no more pre-order for me thanks.

TheBaconPope wrote:

albions-angel wrote:

TheBaconPope wrote:

I wouldn't say revealing Crusade rules is a wasted article. But I agree that this has been an outstandingly poor release week.

The purpose of these WarCom articles is to encourage people to pre-order the codex and buy up models in anticipation of the release.

Show of hands, out of those here passionate enough about DE to be engaging in a 70 page thread on an obscure internet forum, how many of you are sufficiently hyped about this book that you're going to be pre-ordering/buying a substantial amount of product? I can pretty confidently say I'm not.

Oh, honestly, I was never going to be preordering.

Dont preorder, guys.

No, seriously, dont preorder.

Never, ever, ever preorder anything.

What is this, the 2010 release of Modern Warfare?

Stop telling companies that preorders, pre-releases and bloody early access is ok. Its not. Its anti-consumer bullshit.

I am excited to see some of the rules changes, but I dont, personally, know enough to buy more stock. I think I know what I want, but I will wait until full release, buy the PDF, then decide.

Oh I learned that lesson a while back.

Spent the full 60 pre-ordering No Man's Sky. After all its development, I no longer regret the purchase, but nope, no more pre-order for me thanks.

No Man's Sky is a perfect example. So many promises that would have been shown to be false if people had waited for reviews. And the fact it took them the better part of 2 years to "fix" the game just shows how much longer it could have spent in development.

Imagine spending $/£60 now for that game. Amazing value for money. Those first few months though? Ouch.

albions-angel wrote:

TheBaconPope wrote:

I wouldn't say revealing Crusade rules is a wasted article. But I agree that this has been an outstandingly poor release week.

The purpose of these WarCom articles is to encourage people to pre-order the codex and buy up models in anticipation of the release.

Show of hands, out of those here passionate enough about DE to be engaging in a 70 page thread on an obscure internet forum, how many of you are sufficiently hyped about this book that you're going to be pre-ordering/buying a substantial amount of product? I can pretty confidently say I'm not.

Oh, honestly, I was never going to be preordering.

Dont preorder, guys.

No, seriously, dont preorder.

Never, ever, ever preorder anything.

What is this, the 2010 release of Modern Warfare?

Stop telling companies that preorders, pre-releases and bloody early access is ok. Its not. Its anti-consumer bullshit.

I am excited to see some of the rules changes, but I dont, personally, know enough to buy more stock. I think I know what I want, but I will wait until full release, buy the PDF, then decide.

Bear in mind that there will almost certainly be reviews up on the preorder date that detail everything in the rulesbook - the Codex isn't going to be a mystery when you can actually pay money for it.

sekac wrote:

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

The Strange Dark One wrote:

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

LOL some people in here need to get a grip. They released a massive amount of reveals all in one day! If you expected that to continue then shame on you for being so naive.

We were lucky and it was a bit of a treat getting so much in one day. They could have started Monday with a reveal on pfp and left you hanging. Instead they pretty much gave us a weeks worth of reveals all in the same article but of course you always get those childish few that are never satisfied.

One poster already nailed it a week ago when they said expect a reveal on rules, a reveal on crusade and a reveal on the lore. Anything on top of that is a bonus.

You have just 2 days to wait before the cats out of the bag and you’re acting like spoilt little brats.

Naive? Spoilt Little Brats? Childish?
Thanks a lot, Mr. Charming.

That’s the impression you’re giving out...I won’t apologise for seeing you that way. I think it’s pathetic the way some of you have reacted to a news article that isn’t what you wanted.

2 days to go and some of you act like Xmas was cancelled.

Dude, you project your own emotions constantly. You told me to "get a grip" because I laid out my logic for why FNP might still stick around; confusing a reasoned debate for "being irked." You get emotional and your response is to lash out.

You come across as very immature.

Quite the opposite. I react to what I see as an over emotional response from others. I told you to get a grip for an entirely different reason so please mind to read carefully what people say so that you don’t make the mistake of misrepresenting what was said.

My point of view is that the reveals have been great, there has been more than enough to wet my appetite and that crusade rules being revealed should have been expected.

I don’t want to detract from the topic any longer. If you have a question feel free to private message me and I’d be happy to discuss it.

Burnage wrote:

albions-angel wrote:

TheBaconPope wrote:

I wouldn't say revealing Crusade rules is a wasted article. But I agree that this has been an outstandingly poor release week.

The purpose of these WarCom articles is to encourage people to pre-order the codex and buy up models in anticipation of the release.

Show of hands, out of those here passionate enough about DE to be engaging in a 70 page thread on an obscure internet forum, how many of you are sufficiently hyped about this book that you're going to be pre-ordering/buying a substantial amount of product? I can pretty confidently say I'm not.

Oh, honestly, I was never going to be preordering.

Dont preorder, guys.

No, seriously, dont preorder.

Never, ever, ever preorder anything.

What is this, the 2010 release of Modern Warfare?

Stop telling companies that preorders, pre-releases and bloody early access is ok. Its not. Its anti-consumer bullshit.

I am excited to see some of the rules changes, but I dont, personally, know enough to buy more stock. I think I know what I want, but I will wait until full release, buy the PDF, then decide.

Bear in mind that there will almost certainly be reviews up on the preorder date that detail everything in the rulesbook - the Codex isn't going to be a mystery when you can actually pay money for it.

Sure, and with something physical like a codex, GW wont be able to change it (the books are already sat in wearhouses ready to be shipped). But it does not change the fact that review or no review, they are promising to sell you a product that is not available yet, and until it is, they can change it at any point. Or delay it. Or the company can go under. Or anything else that prevents them from handing over the item on actual release day without actually breaking the terms of the preorder.

Just dont do it. Its not like you get a copy early. Just wait.

albions-angel wrote:

Burnage wrote:

albions-angel wrote:

TheBaconPope wrote:

I wouldn't say revealing Crusade rules is a wasted article. But I agree that this has been an outstandingly poor release week.

The purpose of these WarCom articles is to encourage people to pre-order the codex and buy up models in anticipation of the release.

Show of hands, out of those here passionate enough about DE to be engaging in a 70 page thread on an obscure internet forum, how many of you are sufficiently hyped about this book that you're going to be pre-ordering/buying a substantial amount of product? I can pretty confidently say I'm not.

Oh, honestly, I was never going to be preordering.

Dont preorder, guys.

No, seriously, dont preorder.

Never, ever, ever preorder anything.

What is this, the 2010 release of Modern Warfare?

Stop telling companies that preorders, pre-releases and bloody early access is ok. Its not. Its anti-consumer bullshit.

I am excited to see some of the rules changes, but I dont, personally, know enough to buy more stock. I think I know what I want, but I will wait until full release, buy the PDF, then decide.

Bear in mind that there will almost certainly be reviews up on the preorder date that detail everything in the rulesbook - the Codex isn't going to be a mystery when you can actually pay money for it.

Sure, and with something physical like a codex, GW wont be able to change it (the books are already sat in wearhouses ready to be shipped). But it does not change the fact that review or no review, they are promising to sell you a product that is not available yet, and until it is, they can change it at any point. Or delay it. Or the company can go under. Or anything else that prevents them from handing over the item on actual release day without actually breaking the terms of the preorder.

Just dont do it. Its not like you get a copy early. Just wait.

Except:

• a) Physical items can actually sell out (not a huge risk with the base Codex, but potentially is with Piety and Pain or the limited edition Codex if you want either of them)
  
• b) GW's preorders do actually arrive at stockists early sometimes
  

I completely understand being against the concept of preorders for digital items. For physical items they're more reasonable and not something that needs a blanket "never do this!" response.

So it’s pre order Sat 20th and then out for sale Sat 27th is that right?

I get the argument about not having to pre order but I also think that you tend to know in advance if you want it or not.

I normally wait for one of the online independent stores to get some stock and save a few quid.

Burnage wrote:

albions-angel wrote:

Burnage wrote:

albions-angel wrote:

TheBaconPope wrote:

I wouldn't say revealing Crusade rules is a wasted article. But I agree that this has been an outstandingly poor release week.

The purpose of these WarCom articles is to encourage people to pre-order the codex and buy up models in anticipation of the release.

Show of hands, out of those here passionate enough about DE to be engaging in a 70 page thread on an obscure internet forum, how many of you are sufficiently hyped about this book that you're going to be pre-ordering/buying a substantial amount of product? I can pretty confidently say I'm not.

Oh, honestly, I was never going to be preordering.

Dont preorder, guys.

No, seriously, dont preorder.

Never, ever, ever preorder anything.

What is this, the 2010 release of Modern Warfare?

Stop telling companies that preorders, pre-releases and bloody early access is ok. Its not. Its anti-consumer bullshit.

I am excited to see some of the rules changes, but I dont, personally, know enough to buy more stock. I think I know what I want, but I will wait until full release, buy the PDF, then decide.

Bear in mind that there will almost certainly be reviews up on the preorder date that detail everything in the rulesbook - the Codex isn't going to be a mystery when you can actually pay money for it.

Sure, and with something physical like a codex, GW wont be able to change it (the books are already sat in wearhouses ready to be shipped). But it does not change the fact that review or no review, they are promising to sell you a product that is not available yet, and until it is, they can change it at any point. Or delay it. Or the company can go under. Or anything else that prevents them from handing over the item on actual release day without actually breaking the terms of the preorder.

Just dont do it. Its not like you get a copy early. Just wait.

Except:

• a) Physical items can actually sell out (not a huge risk with the base Codex, but potentially is with Piety and Pain or the limited edition Codex if you want either of them)
  
• b) GW's preorders do actually arrive at stockists early sometimes
  

I completely understand being against the concept of preorders for digital items. For physical items they're more reasonable and not something that needs a blanket "never do this!" response.

Yeah, I mean....don't preorder.

There were SO MANY copies of Indomitus, after all...we should've learned, isn't it?

TheBaconPope wrote:

Show of hands, out of those here passionate enough about DE to be engaging in a 70 page thread on an obscure internet forum, how many of you are sufficiently hyped about this book that you're going to be pre-ordering/buying a substantial amount of product?

*Shows Hand*
I am hyped. Crusade is why I am excited about 9th edition, looks like things will be fast and scary, and I am looking forward to throwing down the army I painted last year in lockdown! (check it out on insta @sinisterwatchfulness!)

Also...don't ask where I got the hand.

Ripper.McGuirl wrote:

TheBaconPope wrote:

Show of hands, out of those here passionate enough about DE to be engaging in a 70 page thread on an obscure internet forum, how many of you are sufficiently hyped about this book that you're going to be pre-ordering/buying a substantial amount of product?

*Shows Hand*
I am hyped. Crusade is why I am excited about 9th edition, looks like things will be fast and scary, and I am looking forward to throwing down the army I painted last year in lockdown! (check it out on insta @sinisterwatchfulness!)

Also...don't ask where I got the hand.

I am hyped enough for it to be the first codex I am going to preorder (or actually own) in too many editions. Even if it isnt perfect it looks more interesting than DE have been for a long time

It would have been nice if we had gotten a look at some of the weapon improvements in the last couple of days instead of seeing, "Woo look at the upcoming (not sure when yet but soon) animation screen shots!" Or "Here's some stuff not remotely related to Druhkari (Be'Lakor, and the armies of renown for the new Warzone)" and I truly don't understand why we are being released along side a warzone campaign to begin with, especially one that features armies that dont have a codex yet ... the piety and pain box is nice, it's got to be one of the only boxes since our release that has had Druhkari vs. Anyone.
I know we still have tomorrow for something more, but it'll probably be lore related, or possibly nothing and just be more hype for the book of rust campaign and limited our previews to that of a codex supplement, I can understand why spacewolves or DA only got 2 previews, they are space Marines with special rules to give them a slightly different flavor so not much to add to them, but we are a full race and I will point out that our "top 7 rules from the codex" article they gave us was similar and had as much substance in it as an article they did for Necrons and one for Space Marines in their 5 days of previews ... sure we were given stuff along they way such as the incubi, but that wasn't planned for something that would normally have been released with our Codex preview, they did similar for other codexes in the window of readjustment, the Kabalite thing was because they had reboxed the entire druhkari line and put them out so it was info we would have had regardless, and for an army that received and "ground-up" rework ... there is remarkably little shown for that.
What I've seen I have liked or been indifferent bordering on slightly positive about but I feel that if a ground up rework were to have happened there would be a ton more to talk about, easily taking up 5 days, like showing us or giving a glimpse of how the hellions and cronos have improved outside of saying "most units get an extra attack so that's good news for the hellions and cronos" we can all agree that the hellions and cronos needed a bit more than 1 extra attack to make them better ...
At the end of this all I'm saying is that what we got is nice, and we could have been shown a lot more without actually just handing us the book if there was truly that much to talk about. But instead we get 2 articles (maybe one more tomorrow) and are then shoved aside for stuff that doesn't have a determined release date outside of "in the future" or "coming soon(ish)"

TheBaconPope wrote:

Show of hands, out of those here passionate enough about DE to be engaging in a 70 page thread on an obscure internet forum, how many of you are sufficiently hyped about this book that you're going to be pre-ordering/buying a substantial amount of product? I can pretty confidently say I'm not.

Super hyped for the codex and very enthusiastic for a fun 9th edition for DE. I don’t think we will ever be no.1 of top tier but I do think a clever player can certainly show case their skills with a decent DE list while using the right plays at the right time.

More importantly I can see DE being both a fun army to play with and play against. That can’t be said for a lot of other armies.

I'm going to preorder the codex. Drukhari are my faction come what may, and I've found the previews interesting and positive in the main.

I might even get the campaign book, as Crusade appeals to me, and I have two friends who play AdMech and Death Guard.

Personally i`m not buying new codex. At least for now.
When we will get full view of it, i might change my mind, but for now i`m mostly dissapointed in DE as an army. Probably stick to genestealers for some time.

Hey, maybe craftworlds will get some cool new stuff in year or two. Or even clowns. Or Ynnari.
But DE... nah. Probably i would just wait for next edition.

I can think we all agree at least that the week was pretty weak on previews. They are releasing 4 new products for 40k and we are now at 3 previews, tomorrow maybe 4. If we look back that is not how they do it normally. They moved the piety and pain preview to one week earlier, but still with a codex a, campaign book and a mission pack GW would have normally no problems filling a whole week.

And for the space wolves and deathwatch example, they were released together with the updated Forgeworld imperial armour, which also got two articles. So in total 6 articles, every day saw at least one preview for a 40k release in that week, the Monday even two. To be fair it was only one about Deathwatch, the Deathwatch didn't get a crusade preview, the last article was about the two combat patrol boxes and how you could expand to 50 power level. Still, they tried to fill the whole week with info about the new 40k releases, even though a book that is basically just a list of points and two supplements resulted in some articles having no real content.
Again this shouldn't have been a problem this week even without the Drukhari codex, they haven't written anything about the mission pack yet and the book of rust has besides armies of renown a big lore part, crusade rules and 3 codex supplements they could write about.

And I am also waiting for the reviews on Saturday before ordering the codex. It is not that I can play that many games right now.

The 7 rules article for Drukhari was the biggest and the most full of spoilers ever made, anyway.

Just saying... it was a week full of spoilers. They just were all into a single article. Binge-spoilers!

My policy is to never preorder anything - especially if it's highly unlikely that there will be any shortage of said product.

As it stands, the previewed rules thus far have definitely been a mixed bag. The idea of Master Archons, Haemonculi etc. is definitely welcome, though the powers and wargear they've shown us thus far are beyond uninspired. Mandrakes, Scourges and Incubi still can't get any subfaction abilities. The new PfP chart seems like a downgrade (given that it no longer even functions if you take allies), and the move towards invulnerable saves is a serious concern and one that implies we've lost them elsewhere.

At the very least, I have no intention of even buying the new book (let alone preordering it) until I've seen exactly what's changed.

Cerve wrote:

The 7 rules article for Drukhari was the biggest and the most full of spoilers ever made, anyway.

Just saying... it was a week full of spoilers. They just were all into a single article. Binge-spoilers!

This!

I watched a YouTube review of the rules reveals and he basically said that rather than the usual GW drip feed that they had rolled a weeks worth into one article. I absolutely agree with his assessment. He reviews literally everything as well so I think he’s quite well placed to make that judgment.

The Strange Dark One wrote:

Why is it that they have plastic Ur-Ghuls but won't release them outside of Necromunda?

*cough* Blackstone Fortress not munda*cough*

effespwnz wrote:

The Strange Dark One wrote:

Why is it that they have plastic Ur-Ghuls but won't release them outside of Necromunda?

*cough* Blackstone Fortress not munda*cough*

Shame on me, I always mix these up for some reason

Also, something to actually look forward to:

Good ol' Skari wrote:

I am announcing right now that Saturday morning at 6am EST, I will be doing a live stream for something. And I will have special guests... I'll be doing a live show on Twitch and on Youtube

Gee, I wonder what that could be
Source: https://www.youtube.com/c/SkaredCast/videos