6th Ed rumors and DE

Wouldn't like it though if taking allies for tournaments is going to be mandatory because else we couldn't cope with all the psychers.

Again... Hate to jump the gun, but am not liking all this alleged psychic nonsense in 6th edition. Else I would've played fantasy with the magic lores.

Yeah I think it's sort of lame but since we don't know what psychic powers are gonna be available I doubt it'll be as game changing as magic is in fantasy. Magical always been very powerful, even before the megamagic phase of 8th edition. Conversely, all of the current psychic powers (which will still be in use according to the rumors) aren't nearly as strong. Not to mention that even with allies they're not gonna be able to take a full army of librarians.

Come to think of it... who else thought about the modelling possibilities the Allies ruling opens up to us?

- Daemons basic units: super Mandrakes! super Coven units!
- IG conscripts: Slaves!
- Eldar Fire Dragons: Super Trueborn with new weapons!
- Howling Banshees: Super close combat Trueborn? Light Incubi?
- The [edited] Hornet: Ravager on crack!
- Tyranids: Beastmaster toys!

and much much more... Thoughts?

No swearing please. Gob.

I can already foresee every DE list starting with "Ally: 1 Farseer w/ Fortune, Doom Runes of Warding, 5 DAVU"

Any rumors on if Venoms can still move 12 and fire their 2 splinter cannons?.

I'd be very surprised if psychic powers became that powerful given the number of races that don't have access to them, I know GW like their space marines but even so, can't see them nerfing the appeal of 40k that much.

The_Burning_Eye wrote:

I'd be very surprised if psychic powers became that powerful given the number of races that don't have access to them, I know GW like their space marines but even so, can't see them nerfing the appeal of 40k that much.

good enough to give all MEQ armies access to 3+ of their psychic lores? (consindering SM, BA, DA have acces to 4+; wolves, GKs, and CSM have 3+, except for templars ofc and their hatred for psykers) oh... and even guard have 4+ of the 5 lores... yet Eldar, the most psychic race out there have only 2... and Orks have none... it makes perfect sense...

That whole thing just seems to be a "SM are awesomesauce, oh... and so is the Imperium" bullcrap... most of the Xenos got stuck with none, and the only Imperium that has none other than BT (again... makes sens) is SoB... which isnt that big of a deal...

Shadows Revenge wrote:

The_Burning_Eye wrote:

I'd be very surprised if psychic powers became that powerful given the number of races that don't have access to them, I know GW like their space marines but even so, can't see them nerfing the appeal of 40k that much.

good enough to give all MEQ armies access to 3+ of their psychic lores? (consindering SM, BA, DA have acces to 4+; wolves, GKs, and CSM have 3+, except for templars ofc and their hatred for psykers) oh... and even guard have 4+ of the 5 lores... yet Eldar, the most psychic race out there have only 2... and Orks have none... it makes perfect sense...

That whole thing just seems to be a "SM are awesomesauce, oh... and so is the Imperium" bullcrap... most of the Xenos got stuck with none, and the only Imperium that has none other than BT (again... makes sens) is SoB... which isnt that big of a deal...

You're totally making things up bro.

SleepyPillow wrote:

You're totally making things up bro.

Apearantly someone isnt up on their rumors

psychic power listings

plus the page from the white dwarf with a grid is out there, you just have to go find it

We dont know the exact extent of allies, it could just be a mechanic to deepen doubles tournaments. The potential for it to be a game breaking feature is too vast. If you play Apoc then you know this has a strong whiff of that about it. I see most tournaments having the 'no allies' sticker on them. Or you will see a lot of IG and Imperial guard combos. I just dont see this being part of the meta game, unless GW really wants to break the game once and for all and have Matt Ward dance on its grave. I would take it with a pinch of salt.

Despite that there are some cool combinations for DE, for me the prospect of corsair allies is a fluffy and fun one.

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I can already foresee every DE list starting with "Ally: 1 Farseer w/ Fortune, Doom Runes of Warding, 5 DAVU"

Likely + Rangers/Pathfinders. The ability to snipe things and sit in cover seems good.
Althou on the purpose of Farseer i completely agree. That has come to my mind as well. Except you dont really need a fortune.

Shadows Revenge wrote:

SleepyPillow wrote:

You're totally making things up bro.

Apearantly someone isnt up on their rumors

psychic power listings

plus the page from the white dwarf with a grid is out there, you just have to go find it

I'm pretty up to the rumors and don't see something bad in it. Makes totally sense fluff wise to me.

Well, it seems I'll be looking into getting some Eldar stuff to ally with. Farseer and a squad of Fire Dragons on top of Archon/Haemie and Blasterborn? Oh, and a Hornet because all our lances weren't enough. Hell yeah. Won't need tons of psyker schools when I'll just be able to have the opponent's psykers go mad or blow themselves up more often.

After giving some thought into it, the new psyker tables seem to be about raw, uncontrolled bursts of warp power (like the melta beam, for instance). That is incredibly characteristic to IG and their sanctioned psykers (whose Overlord is around them just so he can shoot those that suddenly go crazy, after all), while Eldar are entirely about controlled and more subtle psykery, Eldritch Storm probably being the flashiest of them all. I believe Tyranids weren't exactly using the Warp, instead it was the Hive Mind affecting the reality, even Perils of the Warp worked slightly differently fluffwise. Orks... well... Weirdboyz are random enough already. I don't know if rolling for more random powers would make them any more worth taking as they are right now.

Taken from BoLs lounge. Cherry picked the relevant ones to DE....

Courtesy of a friend from Games Workshop who has spent time with the Warhammer 40k 6th Edition rulebook. We (manager of my LGS) sent him a list of questions and these were his answers. Alot of IDK's, but some good stuff in there too.

how will fleet usr work, especially if run is removed?
Run is not removed. Fleet means you can re-roll you run or re-roll one of the D6 to charge.

Are flyers hit on 6's with shooting weapons and if true are there ways to mitigate that?
Flyers are hit on 6's if they perform a Zoom maneuver.

Psychic defense and abilities for armies without psychers? Rumor that all units get a 6+ save against psychic powers. Another rumor that their might be ways for Tau etc to get psychers.
I believe everyone will have access to some sort of psyker. 6+ is true for everyone.

Affect of being open topped (good and bad)
Not sure, I believe it is the similar

How will reserves work in the standard missions? Still always an option? Updates to determining when units arrive? Outflanking updated or same?
Normally it seems

Can you assault after deepstrike?
No

Changes to how units fire out of a vehicle (like say if it moves can only one model fire, is their range reduced, do they gain relentless)
None that I noticed

Eldar have never really been about diversity of psychic powers. They don't really use super-fancy explodey powers, but focus on divination and telepathy. So I don't see anythign particualrly wrong with them only having access to those schools. They should get some bonsu to represent their mastery of psychic powers, tho. Like getting to roll 2 D6 for every power and select which one you want.

I've been hearing that these are in addition to the psychic powers in Codex's

Seriously why does this matter to us? DE don't have psykers! And it's only just over a week till we'll all know for definite...

The_Burning_Eye wrote:

Seriously why does this matter to us? DE don't have psykers! And it's only just over a week till we'll all know for definite...

I think it matters because we are likely to see pyskers in almost every army we face for at least the next 6 months or more. Many, many people will want to play with the expanded psyker rules.

The_Burning_Eye wrote:

Seriously why does this matter to us? DE don't have psykers! And it's only just over a week till we'll all know for definite...

I do agree that it would be better to just wait in stead of speculate, but some people play more than one army and may not use another forum. Also, they may just be interested because of the allies rumours. One other possibility would be that they are just curious and are interested in the progression of Warhammer40k as a hobby, not just the progression of their army through the editions.
So, to address the original question, it does not matter to the Dark Eldar race in terms of their powers. It does, however, affect the Dark Eldar depending on what races they are playing. By knowing which enemies have what general power you can attempt to mould your army to be good all round or just to fight one army if you are building you force with a single foe in mind.
Doing that, however, would not work at the moment seeing as we do not have the 6th ed rules.

Am I the only one that gets excited thinking about Vect or an Archon with fortune and rerolling that dreaded 1 to save the shadow field? I thought not! I'm so happy that I got my wife an Eldar army 6 weeks ago! I have all the allies I'll need!

I, for one, can't wait for this new edition.

Well, there was nothing stopping you from playing a 2v2 game before!

According the the new leaks, the way the powers work is eighter that you can trade all of your character's powers for that many rolls on one of the new psychic disciple charts, or you can trade each individual power for a roll on the chart. I'm not quite which. In any case, you can't have all the old powers and then the new ones on top. Armies with good psychic powers like BA, SW and GK might just stik to the old ones instead of rolling a die and hoping you get the power you want. Armies with weak powers will benefit a lot more (I wonder if I can trade Warlocks' powers for the new ones...).

Short summary on generating psychic powers:

* For each eligible psyker, you may chose to either use your codex powers or replace all of them with rulebook powers;
* You get a fixed number of random powers from disciplines available to your army;
* You may chose the discipline for every power you generate (aka for each roll).

Number of powers generated
Two powers: Librarian (Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Marines, Space Wolves), Primaris Psyker, Coteaz, Ezekiel, Mephiston, Njal, Typhus
Three powers: Ahriman, Tigurius
Four powers: Eldrad
Equal to mastery level: Librarian (Grey Knights), Inquisitors (Grey Knights)
Equal to number of purchased powers in codex: Chaos Space Marines (any psyker), Farseer
Equal to number of powers in codex (including purchased powers): Tyranids (any psyker)

the problem with how they state in the WD is although it says you must replace ALL of your powers with a roll on the chart, in their own battle report they have a Daemon Prince w/ Bolt of Change and a new Pyromancy spell...

White Dwarf... Breaking their own Rules since 1990s

The problem with us not having any psykers is that no psykers means no psychic defense. Even in this edition Psychic Defense is a huge thing with spells like Jaws and Fear the Darkness running around. Now we are going to have all sort of psykers spewing random BS out at us, and who knows what the 6 spell is going to look like (hopefully they didnt take everything from fantasy and the 6 spell is absolutely broken) because as one of the armies with no psychic defense, it just isnt balanced.