Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising

amishprn86 wrote:

Actually i might be wrong, looking at all other weapons that adds attacks, they never say add, they say "X attacks instead of". I looked at 7 units.

And looking at wyches and wraiths, they are just add 1 "Each time the bearer fights, it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon"

So i believe you are correct, it would be 4+2 for 6, attack twice for 12.

Thanks yeah that's where my confusion came from I read it as 4 +2 if dual blade ×2 for attacking twice

Or maybe it was intended to work like that cause you know... Probably the most selfish self important guy in the galaxy wants to help his buddies fight better... But not himself

Burnage wrote:

It's dumb as hell but right now his aura doesn't work on himself. I'm guessing that'll get FAQed pretty quickly, though.

We actually dont know b.c we havent see the rules publication yet, just the PDF from a clip. So i would wait till its out to see.

PS, many times the Erules are missing small details or wrong even, right now there are over 40 units in AoS that are wrong on the Erules.

Yeah, the articles.were poor on writing. The rule.of Drazhar doesn't affect himself. There's the Coven Obsession that add +1 to Strenght and then requires to.compare enemy T with your...T. Wait, what? And it works on shooting too, so let's immagine a Talos that wounds on 3+ a Marine with his Splinter Cannon just because it is T6 vs T4.
But you have +1 in S. Mmm...

And even if it will be amazing, I guess the wychcult obsession will be rewrited too. +1 to wound vs 10+ wounds working even on shooting. That means an Airwing Det. with 3 Void wounding on 2+ the T8. Or Disintegrators that wound at 4+ on T8...which..I don't think that works as intended.

We'll see

Cerve wrote:

And even if it will be amazing, I guess the wychcult obsession will be rewrited too. +1 to wound vs 10+ wounds working even on shooting. That means an Airwing Det. with 3 Void wounding on 2+ the T8. Or Disintegrators that wound at 4+ on T8...which..I don't think that works as intended.

We'll see

I think it was meant to also include blast pistols and splinter pistols in mind, as an incentive to bring those. It'll probably get errata'd to not count on flyers

Sarcron wrote:

Cerve wrote:

And even if it will be amazing, I guess the wychcult obsession will be rewrited too. +1 to wound vs 10+ wounds working even on shooting. That means an Airwing Det. with 3 Void wounding on 2+ the T8. Or Disintegrators that wound at 4+ on T8...which..I don't think that works as intended.

We'll see

I think it was meant to also include blast pistols and splinter pistols in mind, as an incentive to bring those. It'll probably get errata'd to not count on flyers

I'm not convinced about this yet. It's finally an incentive to actually run planes as part of a Wych Cult, and even then it might not be as good as Black Heart's 6+++.

I think its meant to work with shooting and vehicles, no one takes Wych vehicles so it might be something they are trying to push.

I agree I think its intended to work on flyers...
Think about it crazy kamikaze pilots trained to hunt down big targets... I like it
I also Don t think its op in the slightest its actually pretty situational

DevilDoll wrote:

I agree I think its intended to work on flyers...
Think about it crazy kamikaze pilots trained to hunt down big targets... I like it
I also Don t think its op in the slightest its actually pretty situational

Yep, not OP at all, its niche. If my opponent doesnt have any 10+ wound MC/Vehicles then it is completely wasted and i dont have a trait to play with that game.

Sure with Knights, CWE, and IH you'll more likely to see, but then you fight some Ork and DE players where its just MSU spam or horde spam, like Venoms and Skyweavers, or GSC with no vehicles or MC at all.

It's niche but it's also only half a full Obsession. We don't know what we can pair it with yet and when it's applicable it's pretty damn strong.

I would love if it will works on shooting attacks too, but the lore description is something abput their sharp blades so....if it will works on both melee and shooting attacks I have found my personal half-cult-obsession <3

Burnage wrote:

It's niche but it's also only half a full Obsession. We don't know what we can pair it with yet and when it's applicable it's pretty damn strong.

While true, but ignore cover, and Vect with 6+++ are equal as strong given the match ups to +1 to wound on XY units and 1 other traits. With IH, honestly Vect might be even more important now.

Cerve wrote:

I would love if it will works on shooting attacks too, but the lore description is something abput their sharp blades so....if it will works on both melee and shooting attacks I have found my personal half-cult-obsession <3

Haven't you seen? We put sharp blades on everything! Even our missiles!

LoL indeed! Hope shall rise!

Cerve wrote:

Yeah, the articles.were poor on writing. The rule.of Drazhar doesn't affect himself. There's the Coven Obsession that add +1 to Strenght and then requires to.compare enemy T with your...T. Wait, what? And it works on shooting too, so let's immagine a Talos that wounds on 3+ a Marine with his Splinter Cannon just because it is T6 vs T4.
But you have +1 in S. Mmm...

It has a certain logic to it. The obsession signifies physical augmentation on the units. Hence, +1S. The toughness comparison stuff is a buff to poison weapons, for which strength is irrelevant, but coven units have enhanced toughness (particularly when in Haemy range), so it is relevant for that. The strength boost is for grots/pain engines. The toughness stuff is mainly for wracks (though it can be helpful for grots in situations where you want to use gauntlets instead of cleavers).

As for the shooting bit. I don't know if it is an intended consequence of the wording.. but a lot of coven shooting attacks are integrated into the bodies of coven members... so.. sure, I can see that as being logical as an intended effect of the rule. It also would make mass liquifier guns on grots considerably more viable (especially if liquifiers get a point drop in CA2019).

Building your own Obsession question:
I know this is a really nooby question (and I'm far from a noob), but I've not paid much attention to how the Marines can build their own Chapters. I'm by far a casual Thursday evening kind of gamer so I don't much care about the formality of nuanced rules like this, but now I'm curious - following the rules for creating your own obsessions: will this be fully legal in a matched play game? A tournament? And for as long as there's 8th edition?
Building on that: what about the Vigilus things? Are those fully legal in all formats, too?

The space marine rules for building your own chapter are completely legal in any tournament or matched play setting. Same case with vigilus defiant/ablaze, any specialist detachment and content from those books is also legal in any format.

krayd wrote:

As for the shooting bit. I don't know if it is an intended consequence of the wording.. but a lot of coven shooting attacks are integrated into the bodies of coven members... so.. sure, I can see that as being logical as an intended effect of the rule. It also would make mass liquifier guns on grots considerably more viable (especially if liquifiers get a point drop in CA2019).

The weird thing about experimental creations it the unit it's best on is a venom. Wounding anything t4 or below on a +3 with all those poison shots? Very solid. I am curious to see how GW will handle some of those odd interactions with our transports given the obsessions can boost their shooting a fair bit. I could see them changing that in the errata to only work in melee, or maybe it already says that in the book but we'll see soon enough.

EDIT: sorry, I've mixed 2 different obsessions lol

twich live now, they reveled the incubi... absolutely nothing changed except they all got lethal precision as suspected

DevilDoll wrote:

twich live now, they reveled the incubi... absolutely nothing changed except they all got lethal precision as suspected

Due to my earlier promise, I'm unable to comment on this.

Have there been any other leaks?

Soulless Samurai wrote:

DevilDoll wrote:

twich live now, they reveled the incubi... absolutely nothing changed except they all got lethal precision as suspected

Due to my earlier promise, I'm unable to comment on this.

Have there been any other leaks?

they are revealing tons of things for craftworld now

Disappointing, I was hoping for s4 base. Regardless I'll use the cool new models, I was already taking the old ones, and I'll hope for a pts drop in chapter approved at the end of the year.

DevilDoll wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

DevilDoll wrote:

twich live now, they reveled the incubi... absolutely nothing changed except they all got lethal precision as suspected

Due to my earlier promise, I'm unable to comment on this.

Have there been any other leaks?

they are revealing tons of things for craftworld now

I fear I'm not on Twitch.

I don't suppose there's been any mention of new artefacts, warlord traits or such? (Either for Craftworlds or DE.)

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

The weird thing about experimental creations it the unit it's best on is a venom. Wounding anything t4 or below on a +3 with all those poison shots? Very solid. I am curious to see how GW will handle some of those odd interactions with our transports given the obsessions can boost their shooting a fair bit. I could see them changing that in the errata to only work in melee, or maybe it already says that in the book but we'll see soon enough.

I also think that the wording is so that it will buff things like liquifier guns. I can see GW errata'ing it to only cover non-vehicles. Though, I don't see much of a point - it's not going to break the game. Competitively, players are still far more likely to stick with PoF. (though I could see myself taking a separate detachment of coven, and putting all of the venoms in that detachment)

ok so they revealed all the obsessions... ill get back to them but its confirmed that this is all we are getting.. thats it... they just revealed like 12 different exarch rules plus new psychic tree and all we got was the obsessions. no venom change no nothing.
Also one ridiculous thing to note is that they called the incubi beasts now that they got 3 attacks each...! and these guys work at GW lol anyway the obsessions:

KABAL
mobile reiders - (revealed in article)
soul bound - reroll inured to suffering rolls of 1 and units that dont have PfP get inured
toxin crafters - (revealed in article)
webway raiders - you can use webway portal stratagem twice

COVEN
Artists of flesh - subtract 1 from the damage characteristic of the weapon that targets a unit with this but you cannot take a secons obsession
dark harvets - (revealed in article)
dark technomancers - when a unit shoots you can add 1 to the wound roll AND to the damage characteristic of their weapon but if you roll any 1 on the wound roll the units suffers a mortal wound (WOW)
experimental creation - (revealed in article)

You sure that's all the obsessions? I didn't really see any indication that was all of them.

One of the custom obsessions they showed off has me excited though. It's for covens, when shooting with a coven unit you can choose to add +1 to the damage and wound rolls, but wound rolls of 1 cause a mortal wound to the firing unit. If you combine that with experimental creations, a unit of splinter cannon talos with a haemonculus nearby will wound anything t6 or below on a +2 with 2 damage. Sounds like a lot of fun to me, and unless I missed something, the same combination works on venoms.