Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising

Wow.....I'm pretty shocked that we got obsessions and that's it. @soulesssamurai, I apologise profusely. Let's riot!

CULT
slashing impact - when a model finsihes a charge move within 1 of a infantry biker or monster on a 5+ it causes a mortal wound
stimulant innovators - hyperstim backlash costs 1 command point instead of 2 (WTF lol)
test of skill - (revealed in article)
trophy takers - the enemy rolls 2 dice for moral and discards the lowest blah blah blah

no mention of the obsession that gives the improved invoun so maybe those arent the only ones

double post

I'm not shocked, there's been no indication of relics/strats/warlord traits being thrown in there as well.

That being said, if this is really it for custom obsessions, I am disappointed. I really don't think these are all the options though. If you combine the info from the warhammer community article and the twitch stream today, there are 6 unveiled wych cult obsessions, but only 4 for kabal. I strongly suspect each subfaction gets the same number of options, so we are missing some.

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

You sure that's all the obsessions? I didn't really see any indication that was all of them.  

One of the custom obsessions they showed off has me excited though. It's for covens, when shooting with a coven unit you can choose to add +1 to the damage and wound rolls, but wound rolls of 1 cause a mortal wound to the firing unit. If you combine that with experimental creations, a unit of splinter cannon talos with a haemonculus nearby will wound anything t6 or below on a +2 with 2 damage. Sounds like a lot of fun to me, and unless I missed something, the same combination works on venoms.

not only that, haywire on talos are one mortal on a 3+ and d3 mortal on a 5+ lol and 2 damage base
so a unit of 3 talos firing haywire casue alot of pain and if you roll any 1s on the wound roll (which you will) the whole unit just suffers a mortal wound... thats a nice trade off if you ask me lol
seems like they tried real hard to make you choose something other than PoF

There is most certainly another page of obsessions not shown on the twitch stream. The WC preview mentions Berserk Fugue, Precise Killers, Acrobatic Display, and Master Torturers... none of which are in the leaked image.

They said there are 8 obsessions per sub faction, 22 in total.

I'm hoping for something better on the kabal side of things. The option to use soul-bound to 'black heart'-ify any kabal is nice... if there is something really good to pair it with, which remains to be seen.

guys dark technomancers is just crazy its already better than PoF without taking a second obsession to partner it with im speechless
Except all the talos with haywire and splinter cannons and venom BS you can pull of, a tantalus with that obsession wounds almost everything on a 2+ and toughness 8 on a 3 and does 3 flat damage...

yellabelly wrote:

Wow.....I'm pretty shocked that we got obsessions and that's it. @soulesssamurai, I apologise profusely. Let's riot!

There are times when I really hate being right.

DevilDoll wrote:

guys dark technomancers is just crazy its already better than PoF  

Woah! Slow your roll there a bit!
In no way WHATSOEVER is this even close to POF.
Diabolical soothsayer, The Vexator mask and oh yeah, 4++ on ALL MODELS is over the top amazing.

your units are almost 20% more survivable.

I have seen nothing yet that threatens POF. When i see the rest of the obsessions, that may change.

DevilDoll wrote:

guys dark technomancers is just crazy its already better than PoF without taking a second obsession to partner it with im speechless
Except all the talos with haywire and splinter cannons and venom BS you can pull of, a tantalus with that obsession wounds almost everything on a 2+ and toughness 8 on a 3 and does 3 flat damage...  

I'm not sure it's strictly better. If you don't take PoF, you're also giving up an excellent warlord trait and relic, plus a pretty decent stratagem.

That being said, it's absolutely a contender. The tantalus combined with it is just ridiculous of course, but I'm more excited about using it on talos and potentially venoms as well. You make a good point about haywire, I don't think the d3 mortal wounds will get buffed by the damage aspect, but +3 mortal wound, +5 turning into d3 is solid. Experimental creations is also a strong contender to go alongside it given how it strengthens splinter cannons and makes macro scalpel talos s8.

The only thing I'm not excited about yet is kabals, I haven't seen anything impressive yet. We've only seen I think 4 out of 7/8 kabal obsessions, so not to worry just yet.

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

That being said, it's absolutely a contender. The tantalus combined with it is just ridiculous of course, but I'm more excited about using it on talos and potentially venoms as well. You make a good point about haywire, I don't think the d3 mortal wounds will get buffed by the damage aspect, but +3 mortal wound, +5 turning into d3 is solid. Experimental creations is also a strong contender to go alongside it given how it strengthens splinter cannons and makes macro scalpel talos s8.

It does, however, improve the standard damage of the haywire blasters, which occasionally does something, so it's an extra cherry on top of the improved mortal wounding rate.

OH-MY-GOD


They are broken now! Are we kidding?
DARK TECHNOMANCERS + EXPERIMENTAL CREATION
on VENOMS.

seriously GW? Seriously?!

I'm genuinely shocked if this really is all we get.

But: that FNP trait for Kabals is my jam. Not sure if it combined with the +3 move will edge out Flayed Skull in practice but I definitely want to try it.

There must be more unless the community article got it wrong as they mentioned changed stratagems and they usually change in the FAQ which just passed, even if they just include the new form of relic stratagem there has to be a section updating these things...

I'm almost positive we have not seen all the custom obsessions. There's no way kabal only gets 4 while cults get 6, and it's typical for GW not to reveal everything in their previews.

As for updates to strats and/or new strats/relics, I'm not confident in that showing up but we'll see.

Gizamaluke wrote:

There must be more unless the community article got it wrong as they mentioned changed stratagems and they usually change in the FAQ which just passed, even if they just include the new form of relic stratagem there has to be a section updating these things...

They mentioned a custom obsession which affects the 'torturers craft' strat.

Similarly, there is a wyche obsession which makes the hyperstimm strat cheaper.

So it's not a new strat - just an obsession which specifically affects that strat.

Bye Bye Prophets of the Flesh! We just have something way better now!



Anyway, did you belive that we will ever get some detatchment like Vigilus?

Dark Technomancers will replace PoF if that is correct. +1 to wound and +1 damage on shooting? You're telling me Talos with Haywire will be wounding on 3's generating 2MW with 6's causing D3+1 MW? Even splinter cannons on Talos would be pretty savage, poison 3 and 2 damage.

I'm not convinced on paper that Technomancers + Experimental Creations is better than Prophets of Flesh. Yes, it makes Venoms way better, but the 4++ and Vexator Mask is still absolutely huge.

Experimental Technomancy feels to me like something that'll shred lightly armoured hordes but crash hard into any list that focuses on tough vehicles or heavy armour.

Elfric wrote:

Dark Technomancers will replace PoF if that is correct. +1 to wound and +1 damage on shooting? You're telling me Talos with Haywire will be wounding on 3's generating 2MW with 6's causing D3+1 MW? Even splinter cannons on Talos would be pretty savage, poison 3 and 2 damage.

MW aren't damage. However the haywire blaster would become s4 -1 damage 2 and the mortals would trigger ona 3+ and d3 on a 5+.

Burnage wrote:

I'm not convinced on paper that Technomancers + Experimental Creations is better than Prophets of Flesh. Yes, it makes Venoms way better, but the 4++ and Vexator Mask is still absolutely huge.

Experimental Technomancy feels to me like something that'll shred lightly armoured hordes but crash hard into any list that focuses on tough vehicles or heavy armour.

The 4++ WAS huge. In the new marine meta you need to evade or outkill. A 4++ isn't enough to keep you alive for any meaningful length of time over the 5++ IMHO.

Also the vexator mask gets way more hype then it deserves. It's an amazing relic, but it goes on a very slow model. A model that can easily get sniped in the new meta might I remind everyone. Personally I am excited for coven venoms actually being worthwhile. Wounding primaris on a 2+ and causing 2 damage is no joke.

Double post.

Not only that!

Now your poison are wounding on 5+ adn damage 2 even veichles.
Liquefator guns are amazing. 5 Wracks with 2 of them on that Venom.and you're sprint of 16", then shooting 12 shots wounding on 3+(2+) ad dmg2, and 2D6 shots at Str3 +1(+2 on T3) to wound vp-D3 damageD3+1 always.

Think about Grotesques. No blade, glove+liquegun. All of them with that. Mortal wound on 5+(4+ against T5,4,3) and Liquefator that shreds everything.
It's ok you're at 5++/6++ but how much damage are you bringing on? They are crazy.
Literally from "oh damn, IH are too good" to "well, now marine MUST play IH for trying something against us".

And against big veichles/monsters we can always buy 3-6 Cultflyers that wounds with +1 with lances.

Damn guys, we are broken now!

Anway now, they aren't all.the obsessions: in that list is missing the cult one that brings +1 to invul saves.