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It's not random but we don't get fnp until the third turn. .. hows that going to help survivability

Elzadar wrote:

Well so far it looks like Power From Pain isn't random, so that makes me happy

If the current rumours of a static effect based on turn number is true then, barring significant other changes, we're up a certain creek without a certain implement. FNP only arriving on turn 3 will be about as much use as a chocolate teapot as there won't be anything left to give FNP too!

Count Adhemar wrote:

If the current rumours of a static effect based on turn number is true then, barring significant other changes, we're up a certain creek without a certain implement. FNP only arriving on turn 3 will be about as much use as a chocolate teapot as there won't be anything left to give FNP too!

Obviously you're just not forging the narrative hard enough.

Harder.

HARDER!

That's right, FORRRRGE that narrative!

maybe its like 3rd turn every1 gets and units with token gets it earlier at least i hope

I just hope wracks and grots start with FNP, also wondering if the drugs will be army wide not just forthe units that get it at the moment.

incubi dont use drugs

urden93 wrote:

maybe its like 3rd turn every1 gets and units with token gets it earlier at least i hope

I really hope Wracks and their units start with FNP too.

Though, either way, a PfP mechanic based on current turn number seems a bit... odd.

Not that I'm desperate to stick with the current system, but it does seem weird if the number of units you've killed (i.e. the amount of pain you've inflicted) has absolutely no bearing on the bonus you get from PfP.

PfP surely wont change too much. Its too much of an army mechanic and the method of gaining pain tokens now makes more sense. Coven units will all start with fnp. Because otherwise there is no point to them. It makes them essentially an expensive ork boy. 10 wracks with a 6+, what would be the point, if anything I imagine they will give coven stuff a better FnP or at least they should!

Power From Pain based on turn number would make for an interesting relationship with reserves mechanics. It might make you want to keep as much of your army off the table for as long as possible.

Calyptra wrote:

Power From Pain based on turn number would make for an interesting relationship with reserves mechanics. It might make you want to keep as much of your army off the table for as long as possible.

Agreed. It`s could be interesting mechanic.
But our present stuff is fresh enouth )))

Let`s just say, current special rules, some drugs changes (first result is too bad) and GOOD warlord traits. That`s will make me happy

Calyptra wrote:

Power From Pain based on turn number would make for an interesting relationship with reserves mechanics. It might make you want to keep as much of your army off the table for as long as possible.

And get tabled that much faster.

If PfP is turn based and applied across the board the designers can use all kinds of different effects both buffs for us and penalties upon our opponents. Maybe some across the board minuses to armor, ld, saves that sort of thing.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Elzadar wrote:

Well so far it looks like Power From Pain isn't random, so that makes me happy

Though waiting until turn 3 to get FNP seems a little worrisome.

I am seriously afraid that such mechanic would support hide and seek for first two turns. I am hoping that this is not true. Although FNP from T3 armywide does not feel so bad. Could anybody do that with current rules? I dont think so.

aurynn wrote:

I am seriously afraid that such mechanic would support hide and seek for first two turns. I am hoping that this is not true. Although FNP from T3 armywide does not feel so bad. Could anybody do that with current rules? I dont think so.

I see your point

krayd wrote:

Elzadar wrote:

Well so far it looks like Power From Pain isn't random, so that makes me happy

Though waiting until turn 3 to get FNP seems a little worrisome.

Well what I understood is that coven units still get FNP turn 1, and Haemonculi still give feel no pain to units they join. This means that who ever needs FNP will have it turn 1.

It wasn't as if I had many units with FNP in turn 2 with this codex either

I was just thinking the same thing!

I'll be honest I'm usually one who runs wild with these rumors and negativity but I don't see an army wide FnP on turn three as such a bad thing. If you go second, you'd be lucky to have FnP on two units by turn three, now your whole army gets it? That actually sounds pretty good. Now, with coven units they definitely need FnP or a serious point reduction because that was essentially the only save they got. The current rule does make more sense, but wiping out a unit to gain FnP has never, at least for me, been a reliable way to toughen up a unit. Starting with it due to drugs or altered physique definitely, but wiping out a unit? Especially these days, you spend the first turn trying to destroy AV which doesn't even confer a pain token.

aurynn wrote:

I am seriously afraid that such mechanic would support hide and seek for first two turns. I am hoping that this is not true. Although FNP from T3 armywide does not feel so bad. Could anybody do that with current rules? I dont think so.

No the other army's get crap like invisibility and Prussians "not sure if that's spelled right" and that stacks on to there good Armour saves.

barenone wrote:

aurynn wrote:

I am seriously afraid that such mechanic would support hide and seek for first two turns. I am hoping that this is not true. Although FNP from T3 armywide does not feel so bad. Could anybody do that with current rules? I dont think so.

No the other army's get crap like invisibility and Prussians "not sure if that's spelled right" and that stacks on to there good Armour saves.

it's not as if that is seen as a balanced and positive mechanic by most.

Man you totally confused me, but from what you write, you are missing Armour Saves and spells... I suggest that DE are not the right army for you. :-) We have some things that Marines would kill for...

i will defintely not hide and seek! regardless if we have feels no pain turn 1, going flat out with aethersails straight into the opponents face turn 1 puts them on the back foot instantly.
In bigger games while they are deciding what to do with that the rest of our army can maneuver into position.
I had two boats of grots last weekend that took the entire shooting of an Ultramarines (1850pts) army and they didn't destroy the raiders! they didn't assault and wreck them but that just meant i was free to do what i wanted.

if no tokens that mean they remowed Cronos Parasite or what happens to it im highly courious for it stands floats beside my desk w8ing playtesting

@urden93 Great observation, man! Although the pictures from WD showed two kinds of Engines. Distinctly different... so deffo no joining into one only. And GW never removes units for existing models.

If we start without FNP then...welcome to old DE, where we didn't have FNP or FLickers or inherent jink saves or anything else.

We could still win.

If Haems still give it and Coven still starts with it then my vibe is we're only looking up.
If they don't then I'd still need to see the rest of the codex to even be able to say whether this is a weakening or not of our army.

barenone wrote:

No the other army's get crap like invisibility and Prussians "not sure if that's spelled right" and that stacks on to there good Armour saves.

...do you mean prescience?

Because this is Prussians;



Though I would be stoked if an army out there got Prussians.
The IG should really get a kit for that.

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