Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising

So no more complaining about the 5man incubi and banshee sets. You can assemble the 5th model as either are regular unit grunt or unit champion.

colinsherlow wrote:

So no more complaining about the 5man incubi and banshee sets. You can assemble the 5th model as either are regular unit grunt or unit champion.

Is there an option to just leave it in the box so that you can fit the Incubi in a Venom with a character?

DevilDoll wrote:

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

Our fliers are fine, they really don't need some great kabal trait that would suddenly make them way better. I'd rather have interesting kabal traits that have good effects for all kabalite units. As long as I can make a decent new kabal, I'll leave behind flayed skull as their relic/stratagem/warlord trait aren't super good.

i disagree our flyers are not fine, they are far worse than craftworld flyers and we could argue that even iron hand flyers are better now. Im not saying they are bad dont get me wrong, im just hoping we get something to compete with the current powercreep...

No fliers are as good as CWE, at least ares are cheap and good enough to use competitively.

Soulless Samurai wrote:

colinsherlow wrote:

So no more complaining about the 5man incubi and banshee sets. You can assemble the 5th model as either are regular unit grunt or unit champion.

Is there an option to just leave it in the box so that you can fit the Incubi in a Venom with a character?

yeah for -1 cp in a auxilliary detachment for a understrength unit

Pretty stoked with how that sprue looks, plenty of head options, an extra basic klaive, and demi klaives?
Brilliant!

i do wish they would stop there current trend of joining the legs onto bodies though, even more so when they decide to cut a single leg off anyway.


Price wise i've given up trying to predict if it will be a bargain or a middle finger to us. GW is all over the place here in NZ

I expect price will be like recent apocalypse "battleforces". Maybe just a bit higher. At least i hope so. Because in that way this product will become much more affordable.

Oh its a middle finger
The box is 150€ and the 5 man incubi or banshees box will be 35€ easily

Probably not wrong on the cost of incubi, but the big box overall is probably a decent discount.

So ... rereading the article ... it occurs to me this may very well be ours and craftworlds "supplemental" codex release as they mention that what's in it is an "entire codex expansions worth" it also doesn't say "new obsession rules" just that the rules for them are there ... and it also seems to say that the "successor chapter tactic" like rules are craftworlds only because they specifically that it is Craftowlrd Attributes for those, but I am looking forward to seeing what new rules we snf abilities we do get

It doesn't specifically say 'new obsessions rules', but it would be rather pointless to just reprint the codex ones, seeing as how they're... in the codex.

DevilDoll wrote:

wait... are they going to be sold separately as well or is the box the only way to get the new stuff?
im not really interested in the craftworld plus extra stuff and i dont want to spend a fortune to get 5 incubi and drazhar...  

This box is a sales pitch for both armies. The Ynarri rules are the bridge between the two armies.

DevilDoll wrote:

wait... are they going to be sold separately as well or is the box the only way to get the new stuff?
im not really interested in the craftworld plus extra stuff and i dont want to spend a fortune to get 5 incubi and drazhar...  

Well, there will be a lot of good stuff for both armies. In my opinion Craftworld part is better (god, i don`t need any more hellions...), but whole box is looks fantastic anyway with all this miniatures, rules etc. Not every day eldar get this kind of attention from GW.

But yeah, i think new models from the box (Drazar, Jain Zar, banshee and incubi) will be separeted at some point. But i still think i`m gonna by this.

Archon_91 wrote:

So ... rereading the article ... it occurs to me this may very well be ours and craftworlds "supplemental" codex release as they mention that what's in it is an "entire codex expansions worth" it also doesn't say "new obsession rules" just that the rules for them are there ... and it also seems to say that the "successor chapter tactic" like rules are craftworlds only because they specifically that it is Craftowlrd Attributes for those, but I am looking forward to seeing what new rules we snf abilities we do get

Whilst it doesn't say we'll get updated obsessions, they did state in the designer's commentary that we would get custom obsessions

As long as we just get something in addition, I'm fine. But I would hate if they take away the existing obsessions in return.

Leaks so its $230 for the box set

Separate its about $175 of stuff per side (assuming new kits are $35 for character and $45 for units) so its $230 for $350 + rules

The pricing has seriously bummed me out about this release, it's a good £30 or 40 more than I'd be willing to pay comfortably. Genuinely thinking I might just be picking up the book now, even though I really want the new Incubi and Banshees.

Yeah, i would imagine our local shop will bump prices even higher now.
That`s sucks.

defiantly a strange choice on there part... from a sales point of view it doesn't make sense. This isn't something from the space marine range that everyone one will just buy anyway, elder/dark elder are not armies that attract very many new bloods so there won't be as many ignorant buyer's. and although I know a couple of drukhari players that dabble in elder, I know no elder players that have started dark elder.

I'm guessing there hoping we have turned into the LOTR community and will rush to buy anything as long as we finnaly get some love.

False Son wrote:

DevilDoll wrote:

wait... are they going to be sold separately as well or is the box the only way to get the new stuff?
im not really interested in the craftworld plus extra stuff and i dont want to spend a fortune to get 5 incubi and drazhar...  

This box is a sales pitch for both armies.  The Ynarri rules are the bridge between the two armies.

Given the state of the current Ynnari rules, this seems akin to bringing together two immunodeficient children by having them share the same plague rat.

Soulless Samurai wrote:

False Son wrote:

DevilDoll wrote:

wait... are they going to be sold separately as well or is the box the only way to get the new stuff?
im not really interested in the craftworld plus extra stuff and i dont want to spend a fortune to get 5 incubi and drazhar...  

This box is a sales pitch for both armies.  The Ynarri rules are the bridge between the two armies.

Given the state of the current Ynnari rules, this seems akin to bringing together two immunodeficient children by having them share the same plague rat.

"There are also the updated datasheets for all of the new miniatures from Blood of the Phoenix, as well as a number of other key Characters and units from the narrative. "

this line leads be to believe they will at least update the Ynnari characters as well... hopefully adjust the cost for the Yncarne i really like the model and its rules but its ridiculously overcosted

DevilDoll wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

False Son wrote:

DevilDoll wrote:

wait... are they going to be sold separately as well or is the box the only way to get the new stuff?
im not really interested in the craftworld plus extra stuff and i dont want to spend a fortune to get 5 incubi and drazhar...  

This box is a sales pitch for both armies.  The Ynarri rules are the bridge between the two armies.

Given the state of the current Ynnari rules, this seems akin to bringing together two immunodeficient children by having them share the same plague rat.

"There are also the updated datasheets for all of the new miniatures from Blood of the Phoenix, as well as a number of other key Characters and units from the narrative. "

this line leads be to believe they will at least update the Ynnari characters as well... hopefully adjust the cost for the Yncarne i really like the model and its rules but its ridiculously overcosted

Cool. And what about the myriad of other problems with the Ynnari rules?

Because literally all GW has said is that they're copying and pasting the WD rules into the new book.

Soulless Samurai wrote:

DevilDoll wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

False Son wrote:

DevilDoll wrote:

wait... are they going to be sold separately as well or is the box the only way to get the new stuff?
im not really interested in the craftworld plus extra stuff and i dont want to spend a fortune to get 5 incubi and drazhar...  

This box is a sales pitch for both armies.  The Ynarri rules are the bridge between the two armies.

Given the state of the current Ynnari rules, this seems akin to bringing together two immunodeficient children by having them share the same plague rat.

"There are also the updated datasheets for all of the new miniatures from Blood of the Phoenix, as well as a number of other key Characters and units from the narrative. "

this line leads be to believe they will at least update the Ynnari characters as well... hopefully adjust the cost for the Yncarne i really like the model and its rules but its ridiculously overcosted

Cool. And what about the myriad of other problems with the Ynnari rules?

Because literally all GW has said is that they're copying and pasting the WD rules into the new book.

yeah dunno they had the opportunity to fix them and they made the conscious decision to totally wreck them instead so... no idea where they are going with this at least we can hope for some worthy extra HQs for our armies?

Oh crap yes +3 movement is one of the Obsession components Kabals can take.

Bye Flayed Skull, it was nice knowing you.

Free invulnerable for all Wych units is great as well, shame you can't pair that with the advance and charge component of Red Grief...

and here we go:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/08/create-your-own-warhostgw-homepage-post-2/

Did you read the wych cult rule correctly?
wyches get a 3++ save whilst they are within an inch to an enemy unit
this implies that wyches get their 4++ saves against pistols