Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising

amishprn86 wrote:

I think it silly that we are going to have more venom spam b.c 2+ to wound and 2D.

Guess what next event i'm testing out when this book is released, tho i only have 8 Venoms, i want 8 more, hmmm.

It sounds nice on paper, but I don't think that it will be especially overpowering vs. armored opponents, seeing as how they're all still AP 0 shots.

Well, your wounding at the same rate as dissies but you have no AP. But you also have 4x the shots as a raider and 33% more shots then a ravager. Also worth considering are how multiple targets are rocking a 5++ or better. But yes, anything with a good save and no invuln your relying on them failing saves, but bare in mind this isn't ment to be primary AT. The fact that it does both is gravy, while your trying to demchanize them they can actually contribute beyond hoping something else gets the passnegers out.

In regard to infantry I think it is flat better. Wounding on a 2+ rather then a 4+ is something that's been asked for on here for ages lol. Poison also sucked verse primaris, now they may as well just be normal marines again.

Edit. Something else to consider is comparing 2 raiders to a ravager. Two raiders will cost 160, the ravager 125. So the ravager is obviously cheaper however the two raiders will inflict more damage.

2 raiders: 6 shots -> 4 hits -> 2 wounds for a possible 6 damage
1 Ravager: 9 shots -> 6 hits -> 2 wounds but only a possible 4 damage.

So it's more expensive, but you get 10 more wounds, 20 more transport capacity and you don't use a slot. You can also be in two places.

DevilDoll wrote:

ok so they revealed all the obsessions... ill get back to them but its confirmed that this is all we are getting.. thats it... they just revealed like 12 different exarch rules plus new psychic tree and all we got was the obsessions. no venom change no nothing.
Also one ridiculous thing to note is that they called the incubi beasts now that they got 3 attacks each...! and these guys work at GW lol anyway the obsessions:

KABAL
mobile reiders - (revealed in article)
soul bound - reroll inured to suffering rolls of 1 and units that dont have PfP get inured
toxin crafters - (revealed in article)
webway raiders - you can use webway portal stratagem twice

COVEN
Artists of flesh - subtract 1 from the damage characteristic of the weapon that targets a unit with this but you cannot take a secons obsession
dark harvets - (revealed in article)
dark technomancers - when a unit shoots you can add 1 to the wound roll AND to the damage characteristic of their weapon but if you roll any 1 on the wound roll the units suffers a mortal wound (WOW)
experimental creation - (revealed in article)

There are more as a bunch of obsessions that were me mentioned are not on that list. So there are at least a few more

Red Corsair wrote:

Well, your wounding at the same rate as dissies but you have no AP. But you also have 4x the shots as a raider and 33% more shots then a ravager. Also worth considering are how multiple targets are rocking a 5++ or better. But yes, anything with a good save and no invuln your relying on them failing saves, but bare in mind this isn't ment to be primary AT. The fact that it does both is gravy, while your trying to demchanize them they can actually contribute beyond hoping something else gets the passnegers out.

In regard to infantry I think it is flat better. Wounding on a 2+ rather then a 4+ is something that's been asked for on here for ages lol. Poison also sucked verse primaris, now they may as well just be normal marines again.

Yeah, if they are rocking non vehicle 2+ saves (so custodes lol) the'll have a 4+ or 5+ invul anyways, yes they need to fail a 2+ but its flat 2D now also, venoms being Str 5 base and getting +1str means their poison also wounds T5 on a 3+ so unless its T6+. But that also doesnt mean i still cant have my RWJF's or Ravagers, etc.. for extra support.

amishprn86 wrote:

Red Corsair wrote:

Well, your wounding at the same rate as dissies but you have no AP. But you also have 4x the shots as a raider and 33% more shots then a ravager. Also worth considering are how multiple targets are rocking a 5++ or better. But yes, anything with a good save and no invuln your relying on them failing saves, but bare in mind this isn't ment to be primary AT. The fact that it does both is gravy, while your trying to demchanize them they can actually contribute beyond hoping something else gets the passnegers out.

In regard to infantry I think it is flat better. Wounding on a 2+ rather then a 4+ is something that's been asked for on here for ages lol. Poison also sucked verse primaris, now they may as well just be normal marines again.

Yeah, if they are rocking non vehicle 2+ saves (so custodes lol) the'll have a 4+ or 5+ invul anyways, yes they need to fail a 2+ but its flat 2D now also, venoms being Str 5 base and getting +1str means their poison also wounds T5 on a 3+ so unless its T6+. But that also doesnt mean i still cant have my RWJF's or Ravagers, etc.. for extra support.

I edited my post above with some quick math comparison. But don't forget the raiders dissy is damage 3 so verse custodes your killing guardians with every failed 4++

Yeah it's kinda silly that coven venoms will be far have better shooting than kabals. Even with no ap, I think hitting on 3s wounding on 2s with 2 damage is quite strong. The only drawback is on a 6w venom, that 1s causing mortals are gonna hurt.

Did anyone recognize the two additional miniatures on the picture at the top of this article?
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/11/kickstarting-your-ynnari-collectiongw-homepage-post-3/

Looks like some shrines as objective markers. Haven't seen them before mentioned as part of the box.

I did see those, my guess is they come as part of the icubi and banshee kits. Nice little extra bonus I suppose.
I also find it odd GW is marketing the kit as a Ynnarri box, unless I'm missing something both of those characters can't be Ynnarri.

Okay have missed them on the sprues, now that i know what to look for i can also find them on the pictures of the sprues.

krayd wrote:

Gizamaluke wrote:

There must be more unless the community article got it wrong as they mentioned changed stratagems and they usually change in the FAQ which just passed, even if they just include the new form of relic stratagem there has to be a section updating these things...

They mentioned a custom obsession which affects the 'torturers craft' strat.

Similarly, there is a wyche obsession which makes the hyperstimm strat cheaper.

So it's not a new strat - just an obsession which specifically affects that strat.

They mentioned that torturers craft now adds 1 to wound instead of reroll wounds

Lord Asvaldir wrote:

I did see those, my guess is they come as part of the icubi and banshee kits. Nice little extra bonus I suppose.
I also find it odd GW is marketing the kit as a Ynnarri box, unless I'm missing something both of those characters can't be Ynnarri.

Yeah they come with the new kits, maybe some sort of AOE buff for the respective units, like the perfifious relic from the dark angels

They said on twitch that Jain zar is now a strong believer in the ynnari cause

Well I hope she can be included in a Ynnarri detachment.

The New Zealand preorder is up and you can look at the contents page.

All we're getting ruleswise are the updated Incubi and Drazhar sheets and custom obsessions. How disappointing.

Burnage wrote:

The New Zealand preorder is up and you can look at the contents page.

All we're getting ruleswise are the updated Incubi and Drazhar sheets and custom obsessions. How disappointing.

And one page for each subfaction. So exactly the same number of pages as the obsessions have in the codex. ^^
Now let us hope, that our regular obsessions don't get nerved.

But at least we have it better then the harlequins, if you look into the introduction to the right, it says that this book covers the perspective of asuryani, drukhari and harlequins in psychic awakening. Sounds like this is the only book the aeldari faction will get something in, so it seems nothing for them.

Gizamaluke wrote:

krayd wrote:

Gizamaluke wrote:

There must be more unless the community article got it wrong as they mentioned changed stratagems and they usually change in the FAQ which just passed, even if they just include the new form of relic stratagem there has to be a section updating these things...

They mentioned a custom obsession which affects the 'torturers craft' strat.

Similarly, there is a wyche obsession which makes the hyperstimm strat cheaper.

So it's not a new strat - just an obsession which specifically affects that strat.

They mentioned that torturers craft now adds 1 to wound instead of reroll wounds

Yes they never said they will change stratagem. They just said that xyz reduces cost of tortures craft (+1 to wound).
My bet is, that author did just not remember correctly the stratagem. Happens alot on warhammer-community. My favorit was back when they showed the wyches and No Escape for the first time and the author was exstatic about how good it is against Tau Battlesuits. He totally forgot that.battlesuits don't have the keyword infantry.

Burnage wrote:

The New Zealand preorder is up and you can look at the contents page.

All we're getting ruleswise are the updated Incubi and Drazhar sheets and custom obsessions. How disappointing.

The sad thing is that this is even more disappointing than I expected.

Also, my suspicion now is that the Ynnari rules were added for no other reason than to pad the book out, in a flimsy attempt to disguise just how anaemic it is.

Also, for a release titled "Psychic Awakening", there seems to be very little of either. Eldar have a new psychic table I guess, so whoopee. But there's no sign of anything even relating to psykers for DE, nor it seems anything relating to Harlequin and/or Ynnari psykers. And as for the whole awakening part let's just say that I could probably substitute this book for a sleeping pill.

Honestly, at this point I'm genuinely baffled by this release. Craftworlders are getting a decent number of new rules, but some of them seem bizarre (why was Jain nerfed?). I like the look of our custom obsessions but... I think we were all expecting at least a little bit more than just that. The box set is insanely overpriced for the models that it includes.

Why was this hyped up for over a month?

jain zar has of course been nerfed because she would be hillariously overpowered in a ynnari detachment ;;;;;

It was hyped for over a month so that they can point to a Xenos release and say, "see we do care about non space marines". In the live steam they even made a reference to Orktober like it some some major release for the Ork players.

Everything I've seen so far has been underwhelming and does nothing to address the blatant issues in the meta right now, nor fix what is wrong with the armies the rules are for. Disappointing, but not unexpected considering the meta churn GW usually tries to achieve.

Drazhar has a tiny shattered striking scorpion icon on his base a la wink wink nudge nudge which is nice, and his hair and horns dont look as bad as i suspected, as does the klaivex'
but i still dont like all the banshees and jain zar, they look just too heavy and not as delicate as eldar should

Koldan wrote:

But at least we have it better then the harlequins, if you look into the introduction to the right, it says that this book covers the perspective of asuryani, drukhari and harlequins in psychic awakening. Sounds like this is the only book the aeldari faction will get something in, so it seems nothing for them.

I'm betting that the Ynarri reprint satisfies GW's claim of 'every faction gets something in Psychic Awakening' for Harlies.

I was looking forward to buying the set for $300 NZD ($190 USD).

No. Here it's $460 NZD without the phoenix rising book ($290 USD).

The sales are going to flop because of it, and the consensus will be that xenos aren't popular enough. And if the box actually sells, then that'll just mean more boxes will go to that price.

After the good amount of damage from the obvious Coven combo, I was looking for more resilience. And damn, for Talos, Veichles and in a minor way even Grotesques, Artists of the Flesh is dope! I was doing some basic math and seems to me that overall it beats the 4++ from Prophets. As the opposite of Technomancers+Creations (where you're basically sacrifice yourself for killing your opponent badly), Artists brings some.really beefy units on the table. Talos, Venoms and Raiders are going to be pretty hard to kill. What do you think?

So um...

Looks like there's a varient build for the klaivex

Must be the Ynnari build?