Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex

Anyone with the codex able to tell me what the weapon options for Wyches are? How many special weapons, what the Hekatrix can take etc?

Hekatrix can take a PGL, can exchange the splinter pistol for a blast pistol, can replace hekatarii blade with power sword/ agoniser

if this unit contains 10 or more models: ,
1 wych's splinter pistol and hekatarii blade can be replaced with 1 hydra gauntlets.
1 wych's splinter pistol and hekatarii blade can be replaced with 1 razorflails.
1 wych's splinter pistol and hekatarii blade can be replaced with 1 shardnet and impaler.

If this unit contains 20 models:
1 wych's splinter pistol and hekatarii blade can be replaced with 1 hydra gauntlets.
1 wych's splinter pistol and hekatarii blade can be replaced with 1 razorflails.
1 wych's splinter pistol and hekatarii blade can be replaced with 1 shardnet and impaler.

Is the Shardnet/Impaler worded such that they receive a -1 to escape per SN/I engaged with them, or is it based on the number in the squad they are disengaging from?

(i.e. would 2 squads of 10 wyches, each with SN/I engaged with a squad that wishes to fall back impose -2, or -1?)

Thanks Azrael.

I think I've found a jewel in our book that hasn't been discussed. Dunno, maybe it's been lost within the pages of the rumours. But I think it belongs to the Rules section, as I'm not sure if it's viable, because it's too good to be true. So please go take a peek there, please.

Edit: false alarm!!

sekac wrote:

Is the Shardnet/Impaler worded such that they receive a -1 to escape per SN/I engaged with them, or is it based on the number in the squad they are disengaging from?

(i.e. would 2 squads of 10 wyches, each with SN/I engaged with a squad that wishes to fall back impose -2, or -1?)

It's based on the number of SN/Is in the unit being tested against.

Though I presume if a unit was engaged with two different Wych units, they'd have to roll separately to disengage from each one?

krayd wrote:

Barking Agatha wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

You didn't think our abilities would override theirs, did you?

I kind of did, yeah.

One rule says 'an unmodified wound roll of this value is always successful', and the other one says 'an unmodified wound roll of 1-3 fails'.  Except that it adds that bit about 'irrespective of any abilities that blah blah blah'.

I mean, 'irrespective' really. Who writes these things? Oh well...

If transhuman physiology was a built-in ability, then the poison rule would override it, as rules like that favor the attacker vs. opposing abilities inherent in the target. The problem is that transhuman physiology is a stratagem, rather than an abillity that is already on the datasheet. So it *probably* overrides the poison ability.

However, that raises another question: does poison 2+ (or 3+) override Prophets of Flesh's ability?

For the transhuman- it's not that it's a stratagem that makes poison fail, as the attacker always recieves priority, it's that transhuman explicity states that it's "irrespective of any abilities that the weapon or the model making the attack may have".

On that note, poison probably should ignore PoF.

I think the best summary of this weird area of ruling was done over here: https://www.goonhammer.com/ruleshammer-qa-compendium/#Attackers_Priority_for_Always_HitWound_on_X_abilties

Eldur wrote:

I think I've found a jewel in our book that hasn't been discussed. Dunno, maybe it's been lost within the pages of the rumours. But I think it belongs to the Rules section, as I'm not sure if it's viable, because it's too good to be true. So please go take a peek there, please.

Edit: false alarm!!

in the spanish book, there is one sentence missing in the Never Stationary stratagem, basically the one which keeps the unit from assaulting afterwards. Sorry for the trouble!

Ha. We got the attention of The Regimental Standard.

https://regimental-standard.com/2021/03/24/5-reasons-the-drukhari-should-fear-you/

Anyone else feel a little uncomfortable at using the term 'underlying health issues' as a joke with how that phrase has been used this past year?

I believe the phrase was used deliberately - it seemed clear to me upon first read that it was intentional satire of Covid denialism.

sekac wrote:

Is the Shardnet/Impaler worded such that they receive a -1 to escape per SN/I engaged with them, or is it based on the number in the squad they are disengaging from?

(i.e. would 2 squads of 10 wyches, each with SN/I engaged with a squad that wishes to fall back impose -2, or -1?)

You roll off for with the unit of wyches, it says "each time an enemy unit that is within engagement range of this unit is selected to fall back" which yould mean you roll off with every engaged unit

Regardless, you roll off on a unit base and only get a -2 if the unit you roll off against has two impalers

mynamelegend wrote:

I believe the phrase was used deliberately - it seemed clear to me upon first read that it was intentional satire of Covid denialism.

Exactly

AzraeI wrote:

mynamelegend wrote:

I believe the phrase was used deliberately - it seemed clear to me upon first read that it was intentional satire of Covid denialism.

Exactly

As an American, I can say there is a whole other context in which that phrase has been used in the past year with darker implications. But I'll say no more than that due to forum rules.

sekac wrote:

AzraeI wrote:

mynamelegend wrote:

I believe the phrase was used deliberately - it seemed clear to me upon first read that it was intentional satire of Covid denialism.

Exactly

As an American, I can say there is a whole other context in which that phrase has been used in the past year with darker implications. But I'll say no more than that due to forum rules.

Now I'm ducking curious.

CptMetal wrote:

sekac wrote:

AzraeI wrote:

mynamelegend wrote:

I believe the phrase was used deliberately - it seemed clear to me upon first read that it was intentional satire of Covid denialism.

Exactly

As an American, I can say there is a whole other context in which that phrase has been used in the past year with darker implications. But I'll say no more than that due to forum rules.

Now I'm ducking curious.

Let's just say there is a major, politically divisive trial coming up and I am certain the phrase "underlying health issues" will be used by the defense.

WTF does American or non American have to do with my gaming community? Im American and a bit confused here...

Subsanity wrote:

WTF does American or non American have to do with my gaming community? Im American and a bit confused here...

Seriously, it's like you guys are begging to get another thread locked.

Let's just move on...I thought the regimental standard thing was funny though.

The codex isn't even out yet and I check the FAQs on Warhammer Community daily for Phoenix Rising. I hope they have those lined up on release day because Ynnari need some changes to use Drukhari for sure.

Oaka wrote:

The codex isn't even out yet and I check the FAQs on Warhammer Community daily for Phoenix Rising.  I hope they have those lined up on release day because Ynnari need some changes to use Drukhari for sure.

I'm curious what the future of Ynnari is myself, but I don't expect them to address it via errata. They'll probably languish until a future publication. More is needed than a simple FAQ/errata update.

For instance, the 2 Drukhari units that benefitted the most from being Ynnari were Incubi and Scourge. Being Blades for Hire, they didn't interact with our auras or obsessions so Ynnari gave them space to add synergy. The Ancestor's Grace psychic power could be used on either unit to re-roll 1s to hit, Shield of Ynnead gave them 5++, Unbind Souls or Inevitable Fate for re-roll wounds in CC, and Strength from Death gave Incubi strike first and, often, +1 to hit.

Well now both are core, so re-roll 1s to hit is available through Archon aura, PfP gives incubi a 6++ and scourge have 5++ baked in, Writ of the Living Muse gives re-roll 1s to wound for Incubi, Torment Launchers can force enemies to strike last, and incubi just hit on 2+ now. Everything Ynnari did for these units is either made partially or completely redundant.

There's just not good reason to make them Ynnari, compatibility questions aside.

Ynnari needs (yet another) ground-up rework. First and foremost, they need to allow a more free mixing and matching of Aeldari units. Allowing them to be the remaining place for soup makes sense, but making them the almost completely melee focused does not. Both harlequins and now Drukhari have better close combat power within their own ruleset, that trying to force Ynnari into that role just won't work.

Allowing a more free mixing and matching of Aeldari units while not creating potentially broken combos will be tricky. They haven't gotten it right yet, and need to start over once more.

Weakling Kin implies changes to Ynnari. It basically allows you to put other Aeldari units in a detachment with Drukhari as long as all units in the detachment have the Ynnari keyword. There is no limitation to the named Ynnari characters, just the keywords Aeldari and Ynnari.

While I'm a Drukhari lover (or obsessed, maybe), my soul is still trapped in a bright red jewel attached to an Ulthwé armour. If you think that Ynnari are in need of attention, let me cry some Isha tears for the "best psychic race" and their "overspecialized but super-effective" aspect warriors. And don't make me talk about their precious super-crafty citizens fighting with UZis at point blank. Duh.

BUT this new codex of ours has brought some hope for my favourite race of the galaxy.

Koldan wrote:

Weakling Kin implies changes to Ynnari. It basically allows you to put other Aeldari units in a detachment with Drukhari as long as all units in the detachment have the Ynnari keyword.  There is no limitation to the named Ynnari characters, just the keywords Aeldari and Ynnari.

Yeah, we know that Ynnari will be changing, we just have no idea what they will turn into. It looks like souping will be their M.O., but what will be the benefit? If Strength from Death exists in its current form, there just won't be a good reason to put Drukhari units in a Ynnari detachment.

As far as how we'll be able to access it, I'm reasonably sure it will still require one of 3 special characters. Weakling Kin doesn't stipulate that, but it doesn't say how the units gain access to the <YNNARI> keyword either. I'm just hoping they make it so you only have to have one of the Triumverate, not one per detachment.