Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex

DevilDoll wrote:

Wow ok its clear now thx for all the answers guys now i understand why precision blows is so amazing..!

She’s a bit nasty isn’t she?

Succubus rocks!
Heamy Heals
Archon buffs all
Wyches rock
Drugs better
Transport fixed
Hellions work
Damage up across the entire army
Easy to get obsessions
Named characters kill everyone!
Points pretty much the same

Main argument I’ve been hearing??? 2000 point isn’t enough for all the cool options!

What's the damage characteristic of her attacks and how many does she have?

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

Main argument I’ve been hearing??? I can’t fit enough cool stuff into a 2000 point army!

That I experienced as well, but if you want I could complain about some other things too

CptMetal wrote:

What's the damage characteristic of her attacks and how many does she have?

Succubus? Depends on the build really. The mortal wound Succubus is one example but there are several nasty builds for her.

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

DevilDoll wrote:

Wow ok its clear now thx for all the answers guys now i understand why precision blows is so amazing..!

She’s a bit nasty isn’t she?

Succubus rocks!
Heamy Heals
Archon buffs all
Wyches rock
Drugs better
Transport fixed
Hellions work
Damage up across the entire army
Easy to get obsessions
Named characters kill everyone!
Points pretty much the same

Main argument I’ve been hearing??? I can’t fit enough cool stuff into a 2000 point army!

You say thats the main argument, but thats just me. Im the only one saying that. Sorry guys!

albions-angel wrote:

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

DevilDoll wrote:

Wow ok its clear now thx for all the answers guys now i understand why precision blows is so amazing..!

She’s a bit nasty isn’t she?

Succubus rocks!
Heamy Heals
Archon buffs all
Wyches rock
Drugs better
Transport fixed
Hellions work
Damage up across the entire army
Easy to get obsessions
Named characters kill everyone!
Points pretty much the same

Main argument I’ve been hearing??? I can’t fit enough cool stuff into a 2000 point army!

You say thats the main argument, but thats just me. Im the only one saying that. Sorry guys!

Lol I mean all of a sudden people want everything in the army! Before they were pretty sure what they didn’t want and so made their army up with a mix of a few builds. It’s a new codex and naturally people will want to try new things out but now that Wyches are legit then a third of the options just became viable.

Competitive Wyches you say? Surely not. Competitive Hellions??? You’ve rolled too many times on the drugs chart! Oh you can do that now can you?

CptMetal wrote:

What's the damage characteristic of her attacks and how many does she have?

6 attacks base
if you give her the triptych whip relic she gets +3 attacks
+1 for a drug
+1 for cult of strife
=11

oh and the whip does 2 dmg and poison 2+, AP-3....

This is all on a 60pt model......
Looks like absolute insanity, I love it!

I don't think Cult of Strife gives attacks anymore, now it gives always fight first and +1 to charge if no one is in combat with the enemy. Adrenalight Triptych Whip Succubus has 10 attacks, Adrenalight Razorflails Succubus has 14.

Also Adrenalight only gives the attack on the charge or heroically intervening.

Has anyone seen the datacards? The old 8th edition datacards used to be not just strategems, but also tactical objectives and pfp rules.
Now it went from 14 to 20 euros, and it only mentions the stratagems. However, the picture still shows 3 stacks of cards.

GreyArea wrote:

CptMetal wrote:

What's the damage characteristic of her attacks and how many does she have?

6 attacks base
if you give her the triptych whip relic she gets +3 attacks
+1 for a drug
+1 for cult of strife
=11

oh and the whip does 2 dmg and poison 2+, AP-3....

This is all on a 60pt model......
Looks like absolute insanity, I love it!

Just 10, Strife doesn't give you +1 attack anymore.

But it gives you a stratagem that for 2CP a <WYCH> will fight again (keyword, it works on the Succubus).
Mix it with 6" consolidation (Master Succubus), and you're welcome.

Isn’t there a cult rule or trait that makes a Succubus hit more the more models there are? So she jumps into a mass of orks and just goes wild! DE in combat have been made very cinematic!

Denegaar wrote:

I don't think Cult of Strife gives attacks anymore, now it gives always fight first and +1 to charge if no one is in combat with the enemy. Adrenalight Triptych Whip Succubus has 10 attacks, Adrenalight Razorflails Succubus has 14.

Also Adrenalight only gives the attack on the charge or heroically intervening.

Right you are!
Thanks for the correction dude.

I still think the whip might be better for the precision blows warlord trait because of the dmg 2.

If you just wanted as many attacks as possible you might be better with the cult of strife warlord trait which i think gives extra 2 hits on 6s to hit. So your 14 attacks could easily be getting 18-20 hits!

I love that there are so many combos and so many look good and fun.

GreyArea wrote:

Denegaar wrote:

I don't think Cult of Strife gives attacks anymore, now it gives always fight first and +1 to charge if no one is in combat with the enemy. Adrenalight Triptych Whip Succubus has 10 attacks, Adrenalight Razorflails Succubus has 14.

Also Adrenalight only gives the attack on the charge or heroically intervening.

Right you are!
Thanks for the correction dude.

I still think the whip might be better for the precision blows warlord trait because of the dmg 2.

If you just wanted as many attacks as possible you might be better with the cult of strife warlord trait which i think gives extra 2 hits on 6s to hit. So your 14 attacks could easily be getting 18-20 hits!

I love that there are so many combos and so many look good and fun.

Erm...every army must have a Succubus or you are simply against fun! Fact!

There should be a special rule that says if you don’t like the Succubus you can’t play DE. You have to play Ultramarines.

To those of you who bid me stay, I've not yet reached a decision but I'm grateful for your kind words.

For whatever it's worth, I'm sorry for being persistently negative about DE books, new and old.

All I can say is that it's always been a part of my nature, from a very young age, to see and fixate on flaws, even when the positives far outweigh them.

Believe it or not, I take no pleasure in getting people's backs up by pointing out such flaws. Jokes about Commorragh politics notwithstanding, I'd much rather make friends than enemies.

But I fear my negativity has already burned far too many bridges with other posters here.

And much as I'd like to claim that if I returned I'd change my ways and brim with optimism and positivity forevermore, I have no wish to make promises I can't keep.

Soulless Samurai wrote:

To those of you who bid me stay, I've not yet reached a decision but I'm grateful for your kind words.

For whatever it's worth, I'm sorry for being persistently negative about DE books, new and old.

All I can say is that it's always been a part of my nature, from a very young age, to see and fixate on flaws, even when the positives far outweigh them.

Believe it or not, I take no pleasure in getting people's backs up by pointing out such flaws. Jokes about Commorragh politics notwithstanding, I'd much rather make friends than enemies.

But I fear my negativity has already burned far too many bridges with other posters here.

And much as I'd like to claim that if I returned I'd change my ways and brim with optimism and positivity forevermore,  I have no wish to make promises I can't keep.

Dude, I do quality control for a living, so I literally get payed to be negative. And I'm good at it because that's basically what I've done my whole life. I'm so good at it I even talked myself into a depression a while back.
Funny thing is that after I realized why I'm so negative all the time, it made things easier, and made me more positive.
Don't worry too much. Yes, you are very negative on this codex, and that does put a damper on people's excitement, but on the other hand, a good discussion needs a controversial opinion every now and then.
My advice: You don't have to put a sock in it if you talk about the things that bother you in the codex. But do try to also see the good things. It makes it easier for you, and you'll find a lot less resistance, while also being able to find solutions in your listbuilding that can still make it work.
As an example: I was somewhat bummed by the fact that Scourges now mostly have heavy weapons. Until I got reminded that an Archon can now buff them to counter that penalty for firing heavy weapons. It's not ideal, but that way it's a challenge. And it gives my Archon a purpose, because that's the second thing I was negative about. First I only saw the negative things, but the more I look, the more interesting list-building options I find.
Nobody wants you gone. But maybe read back what you write and see if you can blunt the edges off a little before you hit send.

Soulless Samurai wrote:

To those of you who bid me stay, I've not yet reached a decision but I'm grateful for your kind words.

For whatever it's worth, I'm sorry for being persistently negative about DE books, new and old.

All I can say is that it's always been a part of my nature, from a very young age, to see and fixate on flaws, even when the positives far outweigh them.

Believe it or not, I take no pleasure in getting people's backs up by pointing out such flaws. Jokes about Commorragh politics notwithstanding, I'd much rather make friends than enemies.

But I fear my negativity has already burned far too many bridges with other posters here.

And much as I'd like to claim that if I returned I'd change my ways and brim with optimism and positivity forevermore,  I have no wish to make promises I can't keep.

You still like the Succubus though don’t you?

Do you a deal. My DE vs your DE in a battle. If my DE win then they are good and if your DE win then they are good...what do ya say friend?

Soulless Samurai. For what it's worth I do not wish to see ya gone from this forum either. Whilst you may have a tendency to point out the negative things about rules changes I always interpreted it to be because they were things you'd wish to improve. There are things I wish they would improve on, and those very much include, for instance, the increased variety of HQ war gear and mobility options I have seen you advocate for so many times. Alas it is a thing they did not improve this time around. But most crucially in your criticism you usually always back it up with analysis or reason which I find valuable when reading either praise or criticism. But too many posts consecutively on either direction can get grading over time.

But I would like ask you directly are there aspects about the new codex you enjoy, and if so what are they? Because I do think there some fun shenanigans one can get up to when playing with Cult and Coven combos now. Sadly I think my favorite Cabals took a hit indirectly by some ranged weapon changes. But on the other hand it would see I can have some real fun flinging hellions and reavers into and Through my opponents units. And covens can create some fun Vampire count resurrection bullsheit and Dark creed Ld combos. Also the Succubi seem our most fun HQ choice now. Many hilarious flavors of melee blender

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

GreyArea wrote:

Denegaar wrote:

I don't think Cult of Strife gives attacks anymore, now it gives always fight first and +1 to charge if no one is in combat with the enemy. Adrenalight Triptych Whip Succubus has 10 attacks, Adrenalight Razorflails Succubus has 14.

Also Adrenalight only gives the attack on the charge or heroically intervening.

Right you are!
Thanks for the correction dude.

I still think the whip might be better for the precision blows warlord trait because of the dmg 2.

If you just wanted as many attacks as possible you might be better with the cult of strife warlord trait which i think gives extra 2 hits on 6s to hit. So your 14 attacks could easily be getting 18-20 hits!

I love that there are so many combos and so many look good and fun.

Erm...every army must have a Succubus or you are simply against fun! Fact!

There should be a special rule that says if you don’t like the Succubus you can’t play DE. You have to play Ultramarines.

Nah. My army consists of Kabal and Coven and - considering that I need to get more Liquifiers - it will stay that way for a while.

Dark Elf Dave wrote:

Soulless Samurai wrote:

To those of you who bid me stay, I've not yet reached a decision but I'm grateful for your kind words.

For whatever it's worth, I'm sorry for being persistently negative about DE books, new and old.

All I can say is that it's always been a part of my nature, from a very young age, to see and fixate on flaws, even when the positives far outweigh them.

Believe it or not, I take no pleasure in getting people's backs up by pointing out such flaws. Jokes about Commorragh politics notwithstanding, I'd much rather make friends than enemies.

But I fear my negativity has already burned far too many bridges with other posters here.

And much as I'd like to claim that if I returned I'd change my ways and brim with optimism and positivity forevermore,  I have no wish to make promises I can't keep.

You still like the Succubus though don’t you?

Do you a deal. My DE vs your DE in a battle. If my DE win then they are good and if your DE win then they are good...what do ya say friend?

Suddenly, everyone is chummy with him, when ALL he brings is negativity. Not in a balance but pure negativity. Doom and gloom.

Soulless Samurai and Shredder - who I at one point suspected to be one person - were those who drove me from this forum for years because I couldn't stand them any longer.
If I would encounter someone like this in my favourite bar, that always pops up next to me and my friends and starts naysaying, we would've told him long ago to start harassing other people or simply would've stopped going there.

Soulless, you say that's just the way you are, but it either is mental and not good for your health so you should get checked up if this is normal behaviour for you or you are just a troll.

I know many people will be up in arms 'how can you be so mean to him!' but I don't care.

I will only say that once and then let it rest, since I'm not some obnoxious Nervensäge.

Just a reminder to keep the thread on topic.

Please don't resort to personal attacks when others are trying to make a positive out of the situation. If you cannot get along then I advise not replying to oneanother rather than trying to get the last word in.

Cancel culture strikes the dark city! News at 11!

` Think as we do, say what we say or be gone! '

So I know the reavers are priced wrong, I heard the Wracks, Wyches and something else was as well.... anyone know what they are and the trrue costs? What it is in the field manual I assume?

I would assume that's the case. Are they currently listed as 10pts in the codex? Would be the same as when they were prices wrong before I assume

Skulnbonz wrote:

Cancel culture strikes the dark city! News at 11!

` Think as we do, say what we say or be gone! '

So I know the reavers are priced wrong, I heard the Wracks, Wyches and something else was as well.... anyone know what they are and the trrue costs? What it is in the field manual I assume?

I'd say the field manual has the correct costs listed.

Drukhari, the army of the firsts:
First codex where an older publication has the most recent updates
First army with a day 1 dlc

Skulnbonz wrote:

Cancel culture strikes the dark city! News at 11!

` Think as we do, say what we say or be gone! '

Mate, give it a rest. The mods even told us to pack it in.

Skulnbonz wrote:

So I know the reavers are priced wrong, I heard the Wracks, Wyches and something else was as well.... anyone know what they are and the trrue costs? What it is in the field manual I assume?

Field manual currently says Wyches are 10 per model, reavers 20, wracks 8.